Class D amplifiers. What's the future look like?


I have a number of amplifiers: Luxman C900U, Bryston 4BSST2, Audio Research VSI 60 Integrated, NAD C298 and some other less noteworthy units. As I swap them in and out of my main system, I've come to the conclusion my very modest NAD C298 is about all I really need. Granted if I had extremely hard to drive speakers, I might be better with the Bryston or Luxman, but driving my Harbeth 40.2 speakers, the NAD is just fine. 

I thought a while ago that class D would quickly overtake amplifier design type mainly due to profit margin which I think would be much greater than A/B and tube. I'm not saying the other design styles would go away, just that D would be the most common style. 

Clearly my prediction is not panning out, at least in the mid and high-end audio world and I'm wondering why? It seems companies such as Bryston, Luxman, McIntosh, Hegel and so many others are sticking by A/B. I'm no "golden ears" guy, but is the perceived sound issue(weather real or imaginary) still holding D back? Maybe my assumption of profit margin is not correct? Maybe the amplifier manufacturers are experimenting with D, but keeping tight lipped until release? Perhaps brand loyalists don't want change similar to what happened with "new coke". What else am I missing?

 

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15k to 25k for 2 cheap Chinese boards in a box, aka class lousy D, so D maker can laugh his way to the bank? (Laughing at the big ol’ dumdums who paid him, bwaaaahahaha) No thanks...

deep_333, you are not helping yourself make the point that any of your views/posts are actually worth listening to. I was going to suggest that maybe you spend the money and buy Ralph’s Class D monos and give them a fair shake in your system, and then let us know how they compare. You know, instead of trashing something it doesn’t sound like you have heard, and Ralph buying products that you own, and treating them as the holy grail in amplification and designing his to meet those lofty heights.

From what i’ve experienced thus far, the type of stuff you do could work for guys who mostly roll with midfi

Amp 1 : Luxman C900u+M900u

I’ve seen a post on this site where the person who rolls I guess relative to you in the ’uber-high-end’ talked about your M900u as one he would consider putting in his child’s room to play bedtime music. In my view it is hard to win an ego contest on an internet forum, so why try?

 

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In my view it is hard to win an ego contest on an internet forum, so why try?
 

Apparently some people think it’s pretty easy when you don’t know who they are, where they are, or what they are.

@arafiq ,

Yeah, right? I will be changing to the Wilsons to the Kharma Grands on a whim, next week. Please stop by for a listen.....LOL!!

The only thing that is real is what is experienced. Many have experienced the "latest and sonically best" class D as equal to or even better than class A. Check out the latest from Steve Huff, for instance. He thinks the pure digital class D integrated amp from Mark Levinson (Daniel Hertz company) is better than any class A he has ever heard. The Daniel Hertz amp is similar to Technics and Lyngdorf and Peachtree GaN1.....pure digital input, no analog stages, no feedback. Levinson has proprietary software that enhances all digital sources (so he says).

If you have not even heard the latest analog class D amp.....like my modded units....like Ralph’s amps.....like the latest version 3 AGD units, etc.....then how you can know what class D sounds like? Your opinion, for it to mean something, has to be based on direct knowledge.....(actual A/Bs in your system).....for it to be worthwhile. Otherwise it is just ego BS.

IF you want to be taken seriously.....you need to talk from direct knowledge of what is happening RIGHT NOW with the latest gear.....not what you heard before.

I "think" that pure digital input class D will take over the market. The modded Peachtree GaN1 ($1800 including mods) sounds really great and some people think the STOCK Peachtree is as good as their $12K+ stack....if not better.....stack meaning DAC plus preamp plus amp. What is so cool about these inexpensive pure digital amps is that you can use two of them and make your own bi-amped system like described on my website......so for around $6K you have the crossover, two amps....all the drivers, wires and baffle.....fully equalized, fully open baffle, planar mids and highs, no normal xover, no binding posts, no DAC, no Preamp, no normal amp...no analog interconnects,,,easy to build. What this would give you is incredible sound.....basically untouchable for the money.......two 12 inch woofers on the bottom flat to below 30hz.......OMG!!! Who will be the first to try this? I will help you do it.

There are more and more powered speakers with built in class d amps (including direct digital class d) coming out all the time. We have only just begun......class D will keep getting better and better.....and pure digital class D makes the most sense to me (less is more). I think a modded Gan1 ($1800) would keep up with the latest $3K DAC plus latest $3K preamp plus Ralphs amps ($5400) plus two interconnects ($500).....or basically $12K total. Now compare that 12K system (WITHOUT speakers and speaker wires).....to the $6K total system mentioned above that INCLUDES super seriously tweaky speakers........no contest.