When Will We Learn?


I retired in 2020 and have been selling much of my higher-end equipment while it still has considerable value. A few of those pieces were replaced by more mid-fi pieces, but ones that usually punch way above their weight. That lessened the pain of losing the higher SQ of the more expensive gear. This past week, I bought a very nice Aperion 6C center speaker that was in pristine condition before it shipped. It arrived today, with all kinds of protection on top of the speaker and almost none underneath. The speaker weighs 40 pounds, and one of the front corners got smashed. What was so galling was that I communicated my concern to the seller before making the purchase, because how you pack an item has a lot more to do with protecting it than how much padding you add. This seller obviously was not familiar with that concept (it was not an Audiogon purchase, BTW). The damage did not affect the sound of the speaker, but since it was a front corner, it will be a constant reminder of the unnecessary incident. The kicker was that I agreed to pay an $83.00 shipping charge to avoid this from happening, but there is no way to insure against stupidity.

discnik

These kind of concerns are why I either buy through a dealer or through a company  when used… like Echo, or Upscale. My audio equipment is the second largest investment I have after my house. Buying used makes sense, but worrying about shipping, and perhaps a seller that is less than perfect is just not worth the stress. 
 

Choosing the right audio component has lots of uncertainty and  requires a great deal of effort. Throw on top of that, uncertainty about the seller, shipping, all possible ways you can get taken advantage of… not worth it to me. What are you going to save? 
 

I buy from dealers and companies that take the worry about shipping and condition of a component out of the equation. I can sleep at night. I know I am going to get what I paid for.

 

Perhaps it was buying my first car (used) in Chicago, from a completely dishonest jerk. I completely got taken. I ended up paying more for the repairs than the initial cost of the vehicle. I don’t like worrying any more. Seeking a “great deal” can have costs.

I had a pair of Thiel Viewpoints destroyed in shipping.  The price was great, the shipping was terrible.  In retrospect I should have sent him the packaging.  The price was so low it was clearly someone getting rid of something he didn't care about.  Had I taken an hour or two and made padded boxes he could've just dropped them into it would've been worth it.  

I usually only buy through Audiogon, TMR, USAM and have had very good results, with only a couple of disappointments on shipping issues. I am transitioning from a full suite of Dali Helicons in my main A/V system to Aperion Audio speakers. I found a pair of the excellent 6Ts just an hours' drive from home on Audiogon and will pick them up this weekend (they had been listed for several months and had gone unsold because seller was not willing to ship, evidently). The 6C center  came up on ebay, and it looked like the seller knew his stuff.....the speaker was priced very reasonably and was in pristine condition, with a shipping charge of $83. This was a FL to NC deal (700 miles), and that seemed fair due to the size/weight of the speaker. I couldn't afford to pass it up, because this model is seldom seen for sale, especially in this condition at the listed price ($175). A one-inch layer of solid Styrofoam underneath the speaker would have prevented the damage from happening, and the seller used pieces of that elsewhere in the box, but almost as as afterthought, not strategically placed. He (somewhat) over-protected the top of the speaker and under-protected the bottom.....I should have hired carlsbad2 to warn him that most damage comes from below, not from above. That damage being the result of being dropped from too great a distance, in most cases.

I try to avoid shipping but you can’t always buy locally. I’m in Mass so often times I just go to NH as there is no sales tax. There are a few good dealers that make it worth the trip. Audio Visual Therapy and Fidelis in Nashua are great to deal with.

I just had my second transaction with TMR and it was great , fortunately each piece arrived safe.

Earlier this year I bought an open box turntable from HiFi Heaven and it was so poorly packed I was lucky that it arrived unscathed. Really lucky. It was so ignorantly packed I will never do business with them again. They absolutely did not care.

For used gear I only buy and sell locally. Not worth the hassle and risky do to shipping and often the package is heavy adding to the risk.

 

 

@discnik 

If you post a close up shot of the damage I can tell you if there is anything you can do to make it more presentable.