Why Can't Modern Tube Manufacturers Make a Proper Tube?


Current tube manufacturers, at least the ones I have tried should be utterly ashamed at their ineptness, apathy, ignorance, or whatever it is that makes them seemingly unable to make a tube properly.

And I never knew what I was missing before I tried reclaimed tubes from the 1950's, an era where people build things instead of ruining things.

The present manufactures are said to have the actual machinery to make tubes for which they have examples in hand and schematics on file, but they just can't do it.

Is this a case of Idiocracy? Are people just stupid today? The world and all creation do follow the 2nd rule of thermodynamics so I guess this is the case.

Listening to Black Plate RCA’s and Mullards in my system, even for a short time made it glaringly obvious that modern manufactures are embarrassingly inadequate. There is absolutely no comparison.

Why can't modern tube manufacturers make a proper tube?

1. lack of IQ?

2. Apathy? 

3. Lack of Materials?

4. Lost knowledge? 

 

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@glennewdick ”I’m willing to bet there were far more failed tubes in the early years then most here would like to admit. just the sheer amount made would dictate to a much larger failure rate then we see today. there”

Many years ago, as I was running with a friend in a forest outside of Augsburg, Germany, I remarked on the number of “holes” around us. Gunther explained these were from bombs from WW2 and we were running on land that was once a Messerschmidt (or BMW) aircraft factory and airfield and not to go off the trails as there were many UEO (UnExploded Ordnance) remaining.

Okay… so how many bombs never went off?

I’ve seen estimates in some places as high as 25% of some production runs - and this is on both sides - Axis and Allies. Low estimates of 10% are out there, out of the literally tens of MILLIONS of bombs manufactured.

Google “bomb failure rate in ww2” or similar.

 

How does this relate to tubes?

Well, think about it. Even at the much-vaunted “10,000 hour” lifespan of MILSPEC tubes from the era, the market isn’t exactly flooded with those tubes. I recall Army service techs in the 70’s (older NCO’s who worked on tube gear in the 50s-phase out as SS was being fielded) telling me tubes were failing right out of the box and I’ve seen that myself working in a music store in high school with a brand stinking new set of pricey tubes in Marshall and HiWatt amps - poof!

Except if it’s a bomb - no tubes, yes, but “technology” - and it fails, someone’s vacation on the Rhein, or a backyard gardener in suburban Dortmund or London has their weekend plans ruined while the EOD guys extricate a 200 pounder which is still a common occurrence.

It’s somewhat of a miracle that so MANY 75+ year-old tubes are still working at all, given the marketplace competition for the survivors the pricing is understandable.

Sturgeon’s law comes to mind, “90 per cent of everything is crap.”

FWIW.

https://mechtraveller.com/2018/03/who-had-the-most-reliable-bombs-in-ww2/

On the one hand, the materials as well as the techniques of this ancient method of production have changed with the progress of the times,
and secondly The market for vintage tubes is relatively niche and can be driven by audiophiles seeking a specific sound profile. As a result, there might be less pressure on vintage tube manufacturers to adhere to the same manufacturing standards as large-scale modern tube manufacturers.

A bit judgmental aren't we? Face it, audio afficionados are a small part of the consumer market and tube addicts are a minority of audio nuts. As several have noted, in the 50's and 60's, tubes were mass-produced on the latest equipment with many materials we can't use today. Current tube makers have a minuscule market and often, must do with outdated equipment and replacement materials. Also, at my last job, I was the oldest employee by several years; I worked with mostly 20- and 30-somethings. And I can tell you, they were smart, diligent and creative as all get out. Perhaps you should not obsess over your tubes quite so much and get out and meet some younger folk?

Anyone else here old enough to remember the TV repair guy coming a couple times each year to  replace tubes in the TV?     And I have yet to have a tube go out in my amp with new tubes.    Hmmmmm.....

@realgoodsound 

""Perhaps you should not obsess over your tubes quite so much and get out and meet some younger folk?"""

 

🤣 I don't think I obsess over anything. That's funny...a bit peculiar, but funny. Thanks for the advice. I'm going to do that right now. 🙂

I imagine myself sitting in a dark machine shop stroking my tubes never stepping outside but to take parcels from the youngerish mailman then sleeking back into the shop.