Are higher end preamps worth the investment when you are only streaming Tidal & Spotify ?


Amp: Modwright 150SE

Speakers: Aerial Acoustics 7T

Streamer/DAC/ : NAD C658

With the goal of achieving higher fidelity, would a 10k -12k MSRP preamplifier be overkill when you only stream from Tidal or Spotify? Do higher end preamplifier applications mostly apply to vinyl and /or high end transports vs subscription streaming?

 

 

 

puffbojie

I basically asked the same question about my Eversolo going direct to my Mac amp versus going thru C2300. I got different answers from obviously it would sound better to changing tubes etc. For me, even if going direct sounds better, I would still keep the preamp because it ties in my other components. Digital streaming sounds so good now if one is on a budget, it’s worthwhile considering saving money from buying a preamp and using the savings on better speakers. 

 Very good question…!

I ran my DCS Rossini straight into my ARC 160s and then added my ARC REF 6SE.

 

Wow….! A massive improvement…! Not subtle. Big noticeable difference in detail, sound stage, openness…. Bass…!

 

 

 

 

Change to qoboz as someone else said.... A good dac is vital but I spent about 40-50% of total budget on speakers as I always believe end sound most important (river analogy with no point having throttle  at end gotta flow into the sea/ears)

But it's all incremental in the end but big benefits to sound in my books would be speakers/service stream provider/dac/amp/streamer (once past super cheap levels.

 

Qobuz definitely best SQ streaming service v Amazon HD, Spotify, Pandora, Haven’t tried Tidal.  
 

Looked up the Modwright 150, it’s a beast!  If you can, audition a few high end tube preamps, e.g., Audio Research, McIntosh, then you’ll know and head down the rabbit hole of finding “the best”, mabe an exotic like Manley or a Dennis Had pre, if you can find one or Audio Note out of the UK.

It is my experience, regardless of the source, a decent output stage and analog volume suits me the best. This prevents any issues with the loading on the amp input stage or with the sometimes poor streamer or DAC output stage drive capability.

I have two that are so transparent as to be non-existent.  They do NOT alter the sound by providing warmth, additional "musical harmonics" etc.  JDS Atom+ and a Schiit Asgard.  Alas, neither has a remote control so I will be buying a Schiit Sega for my main system as none of my DACs have remote volume.   I have owned many preamps, from Hafler, to Nakamichi ,to DIY active, passive, and tube.  None can beat the ones I mentioned. (The Nak Pa7 was sweet but probably placebo)

Now, IF your streamer has sufficient output drive, IF it implements decent volume control, IF the DAC is decent (internal, no it is probably not)  IF it has remote or headphones amp and you want it, then adding another box does nothing for you. Spend the money where it counts: Speakers, DAC, Amp in that order.  Yea, I have been amazed how different DACs sound. But some of that may have to do with JRiver or other streamer settings.  It would be great if I can change a setting and not put out 2 grand on a Qutest :)  For home audio where cables are less than a meter, I consider balanced connections to be worthless and if you understand electronics, you will understand most have WORSE CMCR than  just an se connection.  Read the papers from Jensen transformers.  Many "balanced" connections just add additional input and output devices that are not well matched enough for the "magic" advantages.   Studios with 100 foot runs are another story.

A few amps, like the March/Purify are actually true balanced and maybe a slight advantage in a balanced preamp if it is good enough.  Having built balanced buffers, FET, OP-Amp and even THAT chips, it is very hard and expensive.  An inch of trace matters.  Proximity to the bypass caps matters.  Hard. 

Now, some try to use a preamp distortion to mask source or other induced distortions.  Tube buffers specifically. It is adding distortions and masking, but if it sounds better to you, by all means!   No one here can tell you what you hear or you what you like.  Listen for yourself.  The only wrong answer is to rely on you-tube salesmanship. In truth, an NE5558 OP-Amp, well implemented which is sadly too rare, is better than anything else in your chain, so don't be fooled by the slick pages. If you looked under the covers in a studio, you may find your perfect streaming file went through hundreds of them already.  If the music is as old as I listen to, probably far worse.