How tall do you like your images?


Just wondering, when you listen, do you like your stereo image to be at ear level, above, below, or do you like planars thanks to having a steady image no matter if you are standing or sitting?

erik_squires

Right now the images are a little too low,as if the musicians are all seated at my level.If I play with toe in they become taller and the soundstage wider.One of these days I'll spend the time to readjust, but the speakers are so heavy.I prefer the images as if they are raised up a bit on a stage.

@deep_333 

Strong words there. How about listing your system so we can all check it out. 

Iam too dumb, so I got my speakers built by a gentleman who was well regarded for his speaker builds. It was clearly conveyed that my room was small at 11 x 16.5 feet. And that it will be a near field setup with an equilateral triangle of 8.5 ft with the tweeters and ears. And i like the vocals to be at a realistic human height. So from what i understand, the crossover was built to give a coherent balance at the seated ear position. So even though the speakers are big 3 ways, I find them a joy to listen to, with very life like height and massive width. Whereas my other speakers, PMC twenty 26, sound disjointed like 3 different drivers doing their own thing at my same listening position.

When you said 9.3.6, i already know you fooked up with cramming too many quantity over quality speakers in a li’l room ( i have a 30 by 35 room and i refuse to go any higher than 5.2.4 for atmos music listening that will startle all 6.023*10^23 molecules that make up your soul, lol)....When you said Trinnov, i already have a feeling that you heavy handed everything with the room correction algorithms and all kinds of crap that made it sound clinical and digital ( you are indeed paying for that lifetime customer support from a dimdim who knows diddly about what’s going on inside that processor, however)....

@deep_333

when someone calls me out for being on the wrong track, i take them seriously. part of which includes trying to understand where they are coming from and see what i can learn. so i looked at your previous posting history and found this description of some of your systems.

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/spend-on-the-streamer-or-on-the-dac/post?postid=2062410#2062410

you seem to have very strongly expressed viewpoints. yet looking at this, i think that our viewpoints for what is high level performance are not aligned, our expectations for quality performance are not at the same level. yet if you are happy and enjoying your path then more power to you. i wish you the best.

i was a fan of SACD multi-channel myself back 20 years ago. i built a dedicated room for 5.1 SACD listening at the highest levels.

https://www.audiogon.com/systems/615

what i discovered was that my 2 channel smoked it. the media for 2 channel was so much better that the technical advantages of 5.1 could not surpass it. my 2 channel out ’multi-channeled’ the multi-channel. i still own 1000 SACD multi-channel discs.

part of it was vinyl verses digital. the vinyl was much better, even though i had state of the art digital. so i removed the rear channels and surround gear from my 2 channel room and re-tasked those funds to reel to reel tape decks. that was in 2008.

i always had a separate home theater room in my home with multi-channel surround supporting movies. over the years it was improved as technology advanced. now it’s fairly high level with the Trinnov, 9.3.6 Revel surround speakers and 3 Funk Audio subwoofers. i only do movies there. certainly music videos which take full advantage of Dolby Atmos can be entertaining, but my 2 channel is far superior for music only.

maybe also explain your logic of how the Trinnov is not a high level processor. that does not sound right to me.

@mikelavigne , While I appreciate the research you did on some streamer/dac i had 3 years ago, my digital end has gotten upgraded just a bit since then. I still don't believe in spending an arm and a leg on a streamer/dac, but, whatever, we'll save that for a different discussion. I also don't believe in sitting around with 1 pair of stereo speakers thinking i've got it made either. Hence, i own more than one.

Here's my current list of gear and i could put it up against whatever you've got. My multichannel gear runs circles around (in execution) over all my 2 channel gear, which costs way more. I have a pretty good feeling that it will run circles around whatever 2 channel gear you've got as well. It is just a limitation of your 90 year old fossilized stereo/channel based audio, which you may understand after you figure out how to execute multichannel/3D object based audio better.

2 channel, Room 1

Speaker#1: TAD-E1TX
Speaker#2: Von Schweikert VR-55
Speaker#3: GR Research NX Studio Kit/DIY
Subwoofer: GR Research openbaffle servo kit DIY, quantity = 2
DAC: Denafrips Venus
DDC: Denafrips Hermes
Amp 1 : Luxman C900u+M900u
Amp 2: Yamaha C5000+M5000
Amp 3: Technics SU-R1000
Processor: Theoretica Applied Physics BACCH
Source 1: TAD-D1000TX 
Source 2: Technics SL-G700 
Source 3: Custom audio optimized PC with custom software
Treatments: Combination of DIY, Acoustic Fields ACDA & GIK
Power Conditioning: Keces IQRP-3600, Audioquest Niagara
Cables: Audioquest & Chinese Hifi Cables

Multichannel Atmos, Room 2

Multichannel 5.4.4:
Fronts: Andrew Jones Elac Adante AF 61
Surrounds: Elac Adante AS-61
Center: Elac Adante AC61
Heights: Elac Unifi Reference UBR62
Subwoofer: Rythmik F12G w/ GR research driver, Quantity = 4
Preamp Processor: Yamaha CX-A5200
Amp 1: Yamaha MX-A5200 
Amp 2: Shiit Tyr Monos, front stage (currently)
Amp 3: Jungson/Zhongshen JA99 
Treatments: Combination of DIY, Acoustic Fields ACDA & GIK
Power Conditioning: Keces IQRP-3600, Audioquest PQ3

If you want a more objective discussion, start here with this discussion from audioholics...It may give you a better idea.

Are 2 channels enough???