New DAC! Meitner MA3, Denafrips Terminator Plus, Holo May KTE, Mola Mola Tambaqui

The MSB gives you the choice of having everything in a single box. DAC, Pre-Amp, Streamer; storage is probably through a NAS.

Native DSD is an option if you use the USB input module, native DSD should be possible via NAS.

Everything is clocked internally. I believe by Word Clock 44.1/48KHz.

Earlier models had an I2s input module, I think.

You can also use an external streamer/server.

The Discrete is $12,500 for the basic model without add-ons, the top model is over $100k.

Lots of options.

The MA3 sounds best through its network connection and its inboard streamer. Don’t get hung up on I2s (since there is no real standard). When I owned the MSB Discrete with dual power supplies and pro-usb but I never “bonded” with it. It was fed via an Innuos Zenith Mk3 I had at the time. The MA3 is a real strong performer. Over time I transitioned to a loaded Totaldac D1-Tube-Mk3 dac with inboard streamer and DSD with live power supply. In my opinion and to my ears in my system, I found it more organic than the MSB and the MA3. BUT, the Meitner’s performance over ethernet exceeded that of the Totaldac fed via ethernet. Once I upgrade to the Grimm Audio MU1 server/streamer which feeds directly via AES/EBU, the Totaldac edged the MA3. I have since upgraded my dac to another brand not being discussed so I will avoid “shilling” for it here.

If I could insert anything into this discussion as a meaningful takeaway, it would be to demo and listen to your digital chain as a whole. Dac A being fed directly by server/streamer B requires you to properly match to their strengths. I2S, USB, etc means nothing unless they are optimized for one another. Properly implemented inboard ethernet feeds into the dac typically removes alot of the data variables. My new dac sounds exceptional when fed via ethernet…they did it right. I still happen to prefer the sound, however, via AES/EBU (which is limited to 24/192) from the Grimm feeding the dac directly but the differences are very small.

Try to avoid getting “sticky” with resolutions, PCM vs DSD, I2s, USB, etc because it all depends on the designer and the implementation. Also, the poster who talked about the MSB solution being all in one box obviously hasn’t owned one. While it performs at a very high level, the loaded out Discrete has a couple of external power supplies which requires two power cables, two umbilicals and the prousb module has the fiber umbilical to the external prousb box into which you plug the USB cable. Oh, if you use RCA interconnects then you have to use some XLR to RCA converters since the Discrete only comes stock with XLR. The rechargable remote was cool though.

Here you come with your nonsense again.

Try to avoid getting “sticky” with resolutions, PCM vs DSD, I2s, USB, etc because it all depends on the designer and the implementation. Also, the poster who talked about the MSB solution being all in one box obviously hasn’t owned one.

I haven't owned a MSB DAC but it consists of one main box plus power supplies as the basic version.

Resolutions matter, really matter.

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@lordmelton

I certainly didn’t mean to touch a nerve although I quite understand if Yorktown still has you in a mood. Over here, one box tends to mean….one box. That new math can be troublesome from time to time.

As far as resolutions matter…it of course depends on the recording. With that said, I can play for you the same recording in 16/44.1 or 24/192 or DSD and while you may prefer one over another it won’t be because you can tell the resolution, it will be because of what the digital stream is optimised for.

If it makes you feel any better, my DAC is British although it doesn’t whine.

So much depends on your system. I A/B’d a Schiit Bifrost 2/64 ($800) vs. a Holo Spring KTE ($3k) in my system. Same cables, everything.

And while the Holo was better -- soundstage and presence, especially -- it was maybe a 3% difference.

I make this point only because I would expect a much bigger difference -- and I’m willing to stipulate that there could be a difference. But my system won’t reveal it. So, for my pocketbook, it’s not worth the expenditure.