Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?


After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication.  Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review.  One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products. 

Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications.  Those are not test measurements.

I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any.  Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements.  Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred.   Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture.  Do they have something to hide?   I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.  

ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions.   Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?

Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."  

Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.   

I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.  

fleschler

This is why you have been banned on so many different audio forums.

Of course he would be silenced if he is exposing the truth about high end audio. Do you realize the damage it would cause the industry if it were found that $100K amps and speakers were all scams?

You are always trying to impose your personal beliefs and supposed expertise on audiophiles or anyone interested in the hobby...guess what?! Nobody really cares!

No he is not. He is sharing objective data with the public and exposing the conspiracies going on within the industry. There will always be those that are in denial such as yourself but you can't deny the truth. If you think you are qualified to refute his claims you will need to provide your data which contradicts his findings. 

How they produce audio electronics is up to the qualified, experienced, and degreed employees who work at these companies, not you

Most are not qualified. The ASR group set high standards within the industry because nobody else will. 

Eventually, they too shall become believers in listening as the ultimate test. What will you do then?!

They have already been converted to the ASR school of thought. There is no going back once you find the truth. 

@amir_asr 

What companies do is take shortcuts

LOL, are you still sitting in that same room with the bare walls and floors with your mic and laptop? Get a REAL studio Amir, it will help your brand, not to mention your results, stop with the shortcuts already. If you want a reference look at our virtual system area, many members here are taking time to do it proper.

 

@kenjit

bolderdash...all of the above.

Why is he trying to "expose the truth about high-end audio?" who exactly does that benefit? How do you know that costly audio products (in that particular price range) are scams?!

He is sharing what he believes to be objective data that does not translate in to real-world performance...we all know that gear he praises so often costs pennies on the dollar to build..v-chip computer-grade capacitors, OP amps, no discrete components or fuses, etc.

And you know this...how?! You are actually suggesting that well-known or reputable or popular audio brands do not employ qualified employees? How dare you! The ASR group?!! never heard of it. ASR is not like JEDEC: stop dreaming...

Really? You, Admin and friends have enfeebled their minds and made them believe that only ASR is right?! Well good then, because who cares.

The concept here is...costly = scam. Cheap = good. Measurements = everything.

Right?!

That’s like saying michelin star restaurants are a scam, high-end cars are a scam, luxury housing is scam, high-end computers are a scam, etc.

Most importantly, why on earth do you and Amir care so much about what others believe? Like my grandfather used to say..LIVE AND LET LIVE.

Let others live how they want to without interferring in their lives.Let folks in this audio hobby spend their money on what they want...

If you change someone’s mind...what is in it for you?

In no other industry does such a person or community exist...one who tries with such effort (yet ultimately futile attempts) to convince the masses that their train of thought and beliefs are misguided or just plain wrong. With no one else do we argue about "being objective" vs being "subjective." We all require the use of descriptive language to communicate to others our listening impressions. That is not difficult to understand.

How much did Amir pay you to post for him?

@amir_asr

The problem we have is that audio companies think they can just feed you marketing claims and you accept it.

This is ASR defined, you are here feeding your own marketing claims. I am not insulted at all, but did I "accept it" 🤣🤣🤣

@amir_asr do you really want to measure something, let’s start with your OWN room OK?
I’ll go first and if I win I am taking your crown as the new "king of measurements". May the best microphone win 😂😂😂😎:

The concept here is...costly = scam. Cheap = good. Measurements = everything.Right?!

We have tested the chinese DACs and found them to offer superior distortion. They are priced fairly based on cost of parts. Why pay ten or twenty times more for inferior performance? Who does that benefit? It only profits the high end companies.

Good measurements are not everything but neither are listening tests alone.

Most importantly, why on earth do you and Amir care so much about what others believe? Like my grandfather used to say..LIVE AND LET LIVE.

We care about elevating the standards in the audio industry. If theres too much junk out there, that cant happen. We are here to promote the basic principle of high end audio which is perfect sound quality. If you do not subscribe to this, you are the one that does not belong in our community. We do not want our community standards to be compromised or tainted.

He is sharing what he believes to be objective data that does not translate in to real-world performance..

Listening tests can vary depending on your ears your room your setup. We are here to test the performance of the gear without those variables.