Hi-end audio is a big zero


This is no knock on dealers, It's just how hi-end audio is.

I go listen to some speakers. He has them set up like crap - jammed between 3 other pair. Running on electronics I would never choose so I have to try and compensate for what I imagine they are contributing to the sound. Then after 30 minutes, I am expected to shell out the $4,500.00.

I narrowed it down to two transports from an online retailer. And who knows if those 2 are even a good choice?  Told point blank, I am not allowed to buy both and return the one I don''t want. Just pick one and buy it. Shell out $1,000-$3,500 based on what?

One e-tailer will allow purchase 3 speakers totally $12K and return the two I don't want. Sorry, i have a conscience and can't do it to him.

Read all you want. Talk all you want. Listen at dealers all you want. But unless you listen in your own room, it's all meaningless. I'm talking even just 5 to 30 minutes can be all it takes. But that is basically impossible.

Sure you can buy and sell on A-gon or Ebay if you find what you want have the time to go through the process.

If the prices weren't so high or I did not care about sound quality maybe it would not matter.

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There has never been a better time in history to get into this hobby. Every song in existance practically can be streamed in seconds. Technology continues to bring down the price of semiconductor chips which go into everything digital (Moores law). A DAC that cost $5000 5 years ago probably costs $900 or less today. You can have an entire system by buying a pair of active speakers like the Kef LS60 and plugging them in and connecting your CDP, turntable whatever. You have any component in the world you want online, most with in home auditions, on your doorstep by clicking a mouse and banging plastic. Then you got this forum to get feedback from fellow hobbyists before you pull the trigger.

This is better than I would have ever dreamed 20 years ago when I bought ny first pair of speakers that weren't a POS.

You also have automated room correction, and a much better understanding of acoustics, so unless you are stuck in being a failed purest, you can get way more out of the equipment you have than you could in the past.

What would the OP expect? The dealer recreate his living room? As if in 2023 there’s a lot of realistic alternatives in actually hearing a pair of speakers you’ve been researching.

Sounds a little like making exuses for being a little bit of a tire kicker.

I always have a hard time believing the posters who tell us improbable stories about dickish dealers who refuse to audition equipment unless they’re pre-committing to buy. I’m pretty sure there’s something about them or their approach that makes a dealer who’s paying a lot of rent and day-to-day overhead to sell stuff get standoffish when dealing with them. People very much want to sell you but they don’t want to be treated rudely or be your slave or your dad on a transaction. And as a guy who’s been in customer service to one extent or another my entire life, I guarantee there’s something unreasonable or unsavory about a customer who inspires such a reaction. If you want to be the magnanimous big shot with your money, do all the requisite research, buy the equipment at the most affordable price you can to audition all you like in your special listening room and if you don’t like it you sell it like a desperate hooker to the first guy waving cash in your face.

Wasting someone's time or getting to use their stuff for your purposes will always require a little commitment on your part. That's just a fact of life.