Choice between two different integrated tube amps (SET & PP)


I'm interested in two different integrated amps that I can get locally.

One is the Primaluna Dialogue HP and the other is the Willsenton R800i.

The Primaluna is a PP setup with EL34's and the Willsenton is a SET amp with 805 tubes.  The Primaluna has upgraded pre-amp tubes but stock EL34's, the Willsenton has all stock tubes and the chifi tubes are trash, so would need to be upgraded.  The Primaluna is $3k and the Willsenton is $2k but will need quite a bit spent on new tubes, so they are pretty much the same price.

Anybody have experience with either?  Have read great reviews of each of them.  I'll take other recommendations too but the requirements are a tube integrated under $3k that has home theater bypass.

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@blkwrxwgn I had the same (PP vs. SET) itch that I just had to scratch. I had only owned PP amps thus far, but recently had a chance to acquire a Rogers High Fidelity 65-v2 class A SET amp based on EL34. While it does not have the juice to drive less efficient speakers or 'rock the house' if you will, there is something about the design that just pulls you in. I can't pinpoint any specific area but all I can say is that the way it presents music has an emotional, ethereal appeal that the PP amps simply cannot match at the same level. Of course, PP has its own strengths and can provide the same emotional connection. But I just feel that SET does it a little better. You do pay a price in terms of dynamics and bass output though.

Of course speaker matching and your preferred genre of music is going to be a determining factor. But if you can find a used Rogers 65-v1 or v2, you won't be disappointed. It is built by hand in the USA, point to point wiring, superb build and looks. I'm pairing it with Fritz Carrera BE speakers in my study, and I can honestly say it's the best sound I've had in this particular room so far.

Thank you @arafiq that's nice to hear, I think I'm going to hold out for a SET amp but almost pulled the trigger on these beauties, still thinking about it.

 

I would suggest the OP to seriously Consider the LM-845 Premium Version. Bypass the built in Pre-amp with out outboard Pre-amp.

 

You can also buy a outboard pre-amp later, The LM-845 Prem Version is a better class better reliability unit than the local Chinese LM version that is being flogged for pennies by Chinese Distributors on Aliexpress and other Chinese sites.

 

Stick to a dealer, this way support and parts will be free. The Premium version was built for higher reliability and is sold at a higher cost from factory.

@phantom_av The LM is so much less money from China because you have the people who make the amp selling them. I have never seen anything saying they are different amps other than LM saying there are “fakes” out there. Who else says there are fakes of their amps out there?

I always thought that was a massive line of bs. 

For $2k less for the same amp, it’s almost worth it.