@mahgister you make statements about your system regarding the placement and the presentation you get and how headphones cannot compare. If it's the same system I saw in your picture, how on Earth do you get a sense of space or depth or width or imaging, sound staging, etc. I'm not trying to start an argument or be mean I simply don't understand how you can get that effect with your speakers being where they are.
So how much do you think the placebo effect impacts our listening preferences?
My hypothesis is that for ~%97 of us, the more a headphone costs the more we will enjoy the headphone.
My secondary hypothesis is that the more I told consumers a headset cost, the more they would enjoy the phones. i.e. a $30 headphone < $300 headphone < $3,000 headphones <<< $30,000 headphones.
I’m willing to bet that if I put the kph 30i drivers in the focal utopia’s chassis and told participants in this fake study that the phones cost $4k.... Everyone except for the 3%ers would never guess something was up. The remaining 97% would have no clue and report that it was the best set they ever heard.
Then if I gave them the kph30i and explained it was $30. 97% of people would crap on them after hearing the same driver in a different chassis.
My ultimate hypothesis is that build quality and price are the two most important factors in determining if people will enjoy a set of headphones. This how I rationalize the HD8XX getting crap on when only 3 people have heard it and publicly provided their opinion lol. "It’s a cheaper 800s, of course it’s going to sound worse!"
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@mahgister you make statements about your system regarding the placement and the presentation you get and how headphones cannot compare. If it’s the same system I saw in your picture, how on Earth do you get a sense of space or depth or width or imaging, sound staging, etc. I’m not trying to start an argument or be mean I simply don’t understand how you can get that effect with your speakers being where they are.You are perfectly right.... Now i can understand what your sarcasm was hiding ....I apologize to you because i could be rude if someone seems to mock me...I am human.... Yes it is impossible to reach a good level of depth imaging and listener involvement in my square room 13 feet 1/2 with speakers on desk and one in one of the corner of the room, creating an imbalance in the imaging... BUT....... Acoustic material treatment rightfully done, and more than that a grid of rightfully located Helmholtz resonators which are finely tuned to the speakers/room relation, and which some are located at critical spots, or near each driver speakers in an symmetrical way, COULD create all the S.Q. imaging, soundstage, and more important natural timbre experience and listener inclusion in the music stage with some good recordings... I succeed in making the walls of my room being friends and no more foes.... I create 40 Helmholtz resonators of different size mechanically adjustable in length, orientation, and size to do it....At no cost....Even with empty toilet paper roll... 😊 When i listen music i listen the sound and dont look at my silly room in the dark.... All my posts here are there to promote creativity at no cost not bragging about my piece of gear which are only average but very good for their price..... No headphones i own and no system i listen to make me desesperate about my actual S.Q. in my room.... that speak volume....It is not the best but...... I live very well with it..... Acoustic is the queen, and all others pieces of gear and tweaks are the 7 working dwarves.... |
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Ok Sparky, I’ll bite... So you’re saying that no single headphone in the world can sound like a speaker? For example, have superb imaging and soundstaging capabilities?Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Headphones have imaging and soundstage within their considerable limits but in no way compare to the large 3D soundscape that can be created by a home system. Period. Have you heard headphones that cost more than $20? Are you limited to your local Walmart for audio needs?Again, yeah. Top level Audeze, Hifiman, Stax, etc. Best I’ve heard by a good margin were the Raal SR1a, but even those I wouldn’t put at more than 30% of what a good home system can do. It’s a scale thing. Have you actually worked with professional studio monitors that cost as much as your house?Well, I used to sell ATC speakers and thought pretty highly of active 150s, but even the 50s were pretty damn impressive. I do have experience hearing top models from Wilson, Magico, Rockport, YG, Nola, VonSchweikert, Martin Logan, and many others. Most of these systems were well north of $300k, which would buy a decent house most places but not where I live outside NYC. Best I ever heard was Nola Grand Reference driven by top Audio Research electronics spinning vinyl on a hideously expensive turntable that I can’t recall. Headphones, even really good ones, can’t come close to reproducing the majesty and scale that (or most) good systems are capable of. I don’t know...but the funny thing is you are so deeply concerned about someone else’s viewpoints...you really need to get a life.Truth is I couldn’t give a crap about your ridiculously uninformed opinion until you called out another highly experienced and respected member on this site. What I do care about is when someone comes here and spews out misleading garbage that someone who’s learning and doesn’t know better might actually believe. Those things I tend to call out because they’re foolish statements that do a disservice to others here. I suggest you take your head out of your ‘phones and spend some time listening to some good home systems so you don’t barf out anymore stupid crap like “Where speakers win is with visceral bass that we can feel within a room.” Clueless. Absolutely clueless. |
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