Master Clock questions - cable length etc


I am about a year in with the Teac NT-505 streamer that I took a chance on and really liked and seeing as it's not making me itch for a different piece of digital gear which almost always happens I decided to grab the matching CG-10M master clock.  The main question I have is how important is it to have a 50 ohm cable and secondly am I better off stacking the components and having the shortest possible cable length between DAC and Clock or am I alright using the usual 1-2 meter length that is recommended for a digital cable?

I have started out with the Black Cat Silverstar 75 just to get everything running but apparently 50 ohm is correct, 50 ohm BNC cables seem to be fairly common for broadcast use so if that's the best thing to get so be it.

First impression upon hooking the clock up was that it livens up the sound and puts a bit more flesh on the bone which makes all of the various instruments sound more tangible in the room.  I gave the NT-505 great marks from the get go for having excellent/realistic tone and the clock seems to bring that quality out just a bit more.  

I'm not sure that you would say that the clock represents great value as it's almost as much as the streamer cost wise but it definitely makes a difference and the 2 together definitely make for a very pleasing digital presentation.  
audiojedi
@jasonbourne52,

wanna come by and listen some or rather keep pontificating? Just because you can’t hear it don’t mean it ain’t there...
And btw, you don’t seem to know the difference between a reclocker and a masterclock...
This is what I had read regarding Mutec clocks apparently it's a different deal versus 75 ohm coax with respect to reflections and jitter because it's working with a square wave not a round wave?

  • Mutec suggests the shorter the BNC cable, the better. So 0.5m would be ideal. A longer clock cable will supposedly introduce more noise. 
    • As opposed to a clock cable, a SPDIF cable is the opposite. Too short of a cable and you’ll get reflections. A 1.25m minimum is recommended for SPDIF.
I'll play around and see what happens there are lots of 50 ohm BNC cables available at various lengths can't hurt to try.  I have found that having a properly designed and specd 75ohm cable like the Black Cat makes a difference for transport to DAC so it stands to reason that having the correct length and cable impedance may be of some importance here.

Thanks guys!
Signal in the cable reflects on impedance boundaries, so matching characteristic impedance of the cable to output/input impedance of your gear is important and the cheaper cable might be a better match in your system than expensive one.  If your master clock requires 50ohm don't even try 75ohm - it doesn't make sense.
Reflections in the cable happen when cable becomes transmission line.  Rule of thumb says that it happens when signal travels longer than 1/8 of transition time.  With typical 25ns transitions it would be (assuming 5ns/m) around 0.6m, but I wouldn't risk more than 1 foot, because length of connections inside of the gear (on both sides) counts.  Most likely you need longer cable and when you don't have perfect impedance match reflections will happen.  The key is for the first reflection (initiated by the beginning of the level change (knee)), to come back after threshold point.  We don't want reflection to modify (to add to) transition.  Assuming threshold point in the middle it has to come later than typical 25ns divided by 2 = 12.5ns.  So signal has to travel both ways longer than 12.5ns equal to 1.25m.  For different transition times it will be different.  Your gear might swing in 30ns and min cable length will be 1.5m.  Transition time is difficult  to measure (without affecting it), while speed of electricity in the cable is dielectric dependent.  Because of that it comes to trial and error.
Transitions are square in S/Pdif and your master clock.  I would expect faster transition times with better transports or perhaps your master clock.  Faster transitions reduce noise induced jitter (weakness of Toslink).  As for all inputs reclocking S/Pdif signal it is not like that.  Most of them have PLL (Phase Lock Loop) that adjust internal D/A conversion clock to average S/Pdif signal rate.  Since time constant is involved (averaging) PLLs are not perfect and can even produce small frequency oscillations of D/A clock.  Reclocker, like one in my Benchmark, uses asynchronous rate conversion, to produce D/A conversion clock, that doesn't even have to be a multiple of S/Pdif (as it is with PLL).   My older reclocking DAC Benchmark DAC1 had D/A conversion at fixed  110kHz independent of incoming S/Pdif signal.  Reclocking process inside of Benchmark DACs reduces D/A conversion time jitter.  Absence of jitter (that converts to noise in frequency domain) makes signal surprisingly clean.