Expanding questions about tubes in a preamp


Hello to all...

Started with a (helpful) discussion titled "How to select tubes for a line level preamp"... Expanding questions that have generated from that...

Have learned that hum/noise from tubes is a major consideration - now trying to figure cheap ways to address quieting the 12AX7s and the EF86s.

Would like to try "banding" the tubes with rubber ring washers - one?two?three per tube?

Where should the rings be on the tube: Top? Mid? Bot?

Can you over dampen a tube?

Knowledgeable tube users/ Masters input/suggestions please...

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If you want dampers PM me I'll stick some in an envelope for you. The postage will be more than they're worth. Of course there are those who like them. There are also those who are happy to make money selling them to you. We have all kinds here.

My advice if you are curious is try some simple proof of concept tests that cost little or nothing to try. If tube damping is good you can damp a tube with a rubber band- cut some paper into strips wrap around the tube put a rubber band around it. Listen. Not something you want to leave on there very long but plenty long enough to listen and hear what it does. 

The expensive Herbies Tube Dampers I have are nothing more than a semi-circle of wire with a couple three bits of silicone that contact the tube. You could cut up some silicone made for kitchen use, its made to handle heat, try that. Point is you don't have to run around asking people, you can figure these things out for yourself and not even have to trust some stranger you never have and never will meet, who may even be so nuts he has his own website devoted to time travel and audio tweaks. 
Good advice from Millercarbon.  I think you first need to decide if you like the sound you have.  If you do, just enjoy the sound and spend the money elsewhere.  Damping tubes can change the sound, but not necessarily for the better --try some inexpensive dampers and see for yourself if you must.  I have used various dampers, including Top Hats, Mapleshade (which can be overtightened and break the tubes, as I found out), Ensemble Kevlar sleeves and (the best) Andy Bouwman's octal tube dampers, and ultimately I found I liked the tubes without damping, I guess they sounded too dry and lost some bloom with the dampers, to my taste.
... So just putting some rubber rings (O-Rings) picked up at a local hardware store would not be a good idea - or is it just again an experiment worth trying?
Using a tube damper will not quiet a noisy tube. Noise is usually inherent in the tube. Hum could mean the tube has a fault or it’s coming from elsewhere in the circuit.

Dampers can be used to reduce microphonics from a tube. They are often used to tighten up bass or reduce excessive overtones. And they will change the sound, so experimentation is necessary.

The only time I’ve used dampers is on a component with exposed tubes. Acoustic vibration from a speaker or vibration from the audio rack can be heard through some tubes.


So just putting some rubber rings (O-Rings) picked up at a local hardware store would not be a good idea - or is it just again an experiment worth trying?

Better than paying for Herbies. I would try one per tube that fits snug (not real tight) and also a couple sized bigger. The big ones will let you shim or slide something between the o-ring and the tube. This will let you experiment with the vibration control effects of different materials- wood, paper, metal, whatever you want. I doubt you will find anything that does what you're looking for, but at least this keeps the learning costs down.