How Science Got Sound Wrong

atdavid,

You should apologize for being so knowledgeable and taking the time sharing it with others here. Some people seem to find it offensive. Maybe even scary. Or maybe just jealousy. 
Try humoring them by saying something nice about expensive fuses. 
Or just stick to your guns and que sera sera.  

Moops you’re always funny, I don’t care what anybody says. You’re almost ready for standup.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but calling names just shows your bias (and is a bit childish).

I have heard great turntables. I have heard great turntables sound great. I have heard great turntables "stumble" ... or maybe it was the pressing?  I have heard them "color" the sound.  That is completely okay. Some people's favourite color is blue. Some people's favourite color is red. No matter how much anyone screams, blue light will be shorter wavelength that red.


I never made an anti-LP argument, I just pointed out the many ways that LPs are not and cannot be accurate. I do that when someone claims technical superiority of vinyl. If you want to say it sounds better to you, I have no issues with that. There is a cross-section of the population that prefer the sound.  If you want to claim it has technical merits it does not possess, then I am going to call that out. That is not being biased, that is being honest.


I listen to a lot of live music, both amplified and not. I like live music, warts and all. I like music recorded in a studio too, which is most. I don't find vinyl brings me any closer to some "live" nirvana.  I am not oblivious to vinyl mixes often being better, but I don't say that is because of "vinyl", it is because of mixing.

cleeds2,610 posts12-06-2019 9:18amIt’s clear where you’re coming from - you’re a measurmentalist. You are so absorbed and infatuated with numbers and graphs that should you listen to even an extraordinarily outstanding turntable system, your profound confirmation bias would prevent you from enjoying the sound. For you, LP will always be a pig.

That’s a fine preference to have, by the way, and you have a lot of good company! But I’m glad that I can enjoy music from a variety of sources.

Your anti-LP argument is filled with illogic, btw, but no matter. A preference is just that - it doesn’t require any elaborate explanation to justify it.

atdavid

I never made an anti-LP argument ...

I understand that you really believe that. It’s your measurementalist bias on display to the extent that even when it’s explained to you, you can’t see it. That’s ok; that’s how profound bias sometimes works. No one should interpret it as offensive.

I just pointed out the many ways that LPs are not and cannot be accurate ...

Exactly! Have a nice day.

And I shall hereby dub you "DetachmentFromRealityist".  If you want to use childish names, lets go all in.

This notion that we cannot measure electrical signals with enough detail to match human human is false. It is not a supportable position. To that end, if you like the way that a turntable and the whole vinyl process modifies what started as an electrical signal in a measurable way, there is nothing wrong with that. Just don't call it accurate, as it is not.

cleeds2,611 posts12-06-2019 5:18pmI understand that you really believe that. It’s your measurementalist bias on display to the extent that even when it’s explained to you, you can’t see it. That’s ok; that’s how profound bias sometimes works. No one should interpret it as offensive.