Worth pursuing analog sound from digital?


Hi all,

I recently acquired a PS audio Nuwave dac which has eliminated most of the digital harshness compared with my old dac but it's still not as smooth and harsh-free like vinyl. I was wondering if it's worth pursuing that analog sound from digital without spending a fortune and if it's even possible. I know lots of digital lovers will say digital can be as good as vinyl but is it really?   
jaferd
Longtime vinyl lover here--someone who successfully transitioned to digital-only in the desktop audio setting (including quality headphones--very revealing of digital). A few observations:

1 - The trad way to get better sounding digital is to throw extreme money at delta-sigma conversion chips. Things like intricately designed input sections; big power supplies; heavyweight output sections; and sometimes, exotic bit-shaping circuitry in the digital section (ie, not defaulting to stock filter options of the chip itself. I haven't heard any of these dreadnaughts, which can cost upwards of $20K-$30K, but trust the comments I read that these DACs are a glimpse of sonic heaven.

2 - But back in the real world, I found one needn't spend so much or work nearly so hard to get better digital sound. I'll echo what teo_audio said about R2R & ladder DACs. Yes, it's an old technology and requires precise resistor matching (if a true ladder is used); or absent that, a very well conceived & programmed FPGA section. But these types of DACs sound far less "digital" than anything I've yet heard.

3 - In my experience, the NOS (non-oversampling) variant of R2R & ladder DACs is best for me. The sound is simply more organic, relaxing, suggestive of recording space, and representative of actual, 3-dimentional instruments (which produce 3D notes). Not all NOS DACs are amazing--these designs have to be very carefully planned & executed w/quality parts. But that's a given in any audio sphere.

My 1st non-D/S DAC was the humble NOS 19 by the well-known Chinese audio designer/mfr, Audio GD. It completely transformed my relationship w/digital. For the first time, I could relax and hear music coming from this DAC. I got interested in Audio GD and decided to buy their biggest selling DAC ever, the resistor ladder DAC-19. It, too, is very fine-sounding digital. 

I since sold the NOS 19 & replaced it with an NOS DAC I got interested in, the MHDT Labs Orchid. It, too, offers very humane, musical sound. I just swapped out the stock tube from the buffer circuit for a highly-recommended NOS variant. Even w/o the tube being fully burned in, it already sounds rather amazing. 
(forgot to say) Ladder DACs are hardly a "new thing." Theta Digital & a couple others did tremendous development/refinement of early R2R circuits in the '90s, and some of those DACs are still around, sounding amazing. But the mass market never adopted this form of digital, preferring delta-sigma instead (by a wide margin). And now R2R & ladder DACs are having a distinct renaissance, luckily for me.
Wrm57 said it correctly

I’ve listened to two excellent & expensive vinyl systems 
They are better....

The question for me is;  will mid level vinyl sound better ?

Im awaiting a final listen to a Chord Huei Phono stage & then pull the trigger.

My mid level Analog will be : 

Project Classic, Hana SL & “ probably “ a Musical Surroundings Phenomenona 2 Phono ( or Chord?)

Will it be better than Chord Quetest running Tidal & DSD upsample?

we will see

jeff

Amazing.

People in this thread are saying CDs can't compare to vinyl !

Well.....DUUUUUUUUUH

Certainly pro digital people that say digital is equal to vinyl are talking HiRez digital.


DEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR

Amazing.
Dear @elliottbnewcombjr : In my post the reference to you was only because you posted that analog/LP is " an unbroken ribbon and digital is an assembled chain " and the facts/what I explained says that LP is an assembled chain and worst than the digital medium.

In that post I said that each one of us preferences are non-questionable are out of question.

Against all the facts I explained in that post your preferences, the other gentleman preferences and my preferences are only that " preferences " and can’t change in anyway those facts and the main fact says: digital has quality superiority over LP and was already explained.

That we love the worst medium and even " die for " ( LP ) does not change the facts and only says that that is what we like it because it’s what we are accustom to, it’s our music reference instead that our reference be LIVE MUSIC seated at nearfield position.

Any one of you can have experiences of live music at nearfield position and you will find out that does not exist almost nothing of the LP main characteristics we love as: warm, sweetnees, relaxed and the like and you will learn that real music has a natural brigthness, agressive, extremely powerful and dynamic, not very well defined soundstage and could be even with some harsness.
We have to remember that recording microphones are " seated " at nearfield position and that’s what pick-up, then why we want that warm or sweetness and the like that just does not exist in the reality. Yes we like the " ilusion " .

Some one of you posted: "" analog is nature, what else would people be searching for. """

well I learned that the last link between the ears and brain is an Analog to Digital Converter and I posted from where came that lesson.

What happens with LP vs digital is exactly the same when we discuss tube vs solid state, here what is totally out of reality is the tube technology but for some of us is what we are accustom to and for that reason is what we like even that puts us faraway from the recording when solid state puts us nearer to the recording but this overall subject is for other dedicated thread.

Now, if any one of us LP lovers ( as me. ) fine tune our room/system for digital ( including all the ones that " hate " digital. ) a great side reward is that after the room/system digital fine tunning the LP experiences will be better than ever.
Please don’t say NO just try it and fine tune your room/system till you can listen digital in a " decent " way. That makes a quality paramount differences for the better always and will makes that LP shines as never before ! !

R.