Tube Amps Watts vs SS amp


Can someone explain is there is a difference between the watts of a tube amp vs vSS amp, Looking to get a tube amp ,but i see that the watts are much less than the SS amps, So how do these Tubes amps with 25 -70 - wpc drive these high end speakers, I have a vintage pair of AR 9s and 2 mcintosh MC2200 amps in mono (400 WPC) to drive these ,what tube amp will power these under 3-4k new or used, Thanks 
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@bestbaker  You might want to read this thread- it deals with exactly the same issues you are dealing with.
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/recommendation-for-higher-power-tube-ampIn a nutshell since your speakers are 4 ohms the efficiency is 3dB less than the stated 87dB.


Efficiency is a much more useful spec when dealing with tube amplifiers as tube amps don't double power as impedance is halved.


The bottom line is if you want satisfying sound pressure *and* you want tubes, you are far better off getting a speaker that is not so inefficient!
Sanders biases his arguments towards his own amps which are admittedly great values in high powered amps. Yes, high powered tube amps waste a lot more energy as heat than an AB SS amp. He is also expressing his opinion with a bias toward driving his electrostatic speakers. He dismisses OTL amps off hand. He is right that you need to use a lot of tubes to reduce the impedance of the output section but once you do so they are every bit as effective at driving electrostats as SS amps.
@mijostyn
ESLs don't obey the same rules of loudspeaker operation as conventional box speakers; no doubt because a box isn't involved for starters :)  As a result, to make them more compatible with solid state (as otherwise ESLs are *far* more compatible with tubes), Sanders made his speakers fairly low impedance, just like Martin Logan. This results in impedances that are south of 1 ohm at the upper range of the speaker. For more on how this works seehttp://www.atma-sphere.com/Resources/Paradigms_in_Amplifier_Design.php


In a nutshell since your speakers are 4 ohms the efficiency is 3dB less than the stated 87dB.

Hi Ralph (Atmasphere),

In this particular case the 87 db spec is stated to be based on an input of 1 watt, rather than on an input of 2.83 volts. Also, as I mentioned in my previous post the brochure for the speaker states that an input of 8 watts results in an SPL of 96 db at 1 meter, which is consistent with 87 db/1 watt/1 meter. So if those numbers are accurate the efficiency is 87 db, rather than 84 db.  

Best regards,

-- Al

VTL 300 Deluxe would work if you want tubes. Personally my AR-90s never really sounded that good with tubes. What you need is high current SS. I like Threshold myself. Using a 550E at the moment but my 300 worked well. I'd love a pair of SA/1 but need the coin.