Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
jafant
Ish - TAD makes great speakers, thoroughly engineered with world-class materials, at very high prices. The have a strong following in pro and audiophile worlds. I was very impressed with the ones I heard.

However, they are neither time nor phase coherent. See Stereophile's measurements:
https://www.stereophile.com/content/tad-micro-evolution-one-loudspeaker-measurements

The verbiage surrounding tilt and assymetrical slopes is to lead one to believe that all fronts have been addressed. I do not dispute that excellent sound can be heard through non-coherent transducers. Thiel coined the Coherent Source phrase to mean "Minimum Phase - Time Coherent wavefront". TAD does not meet that definition, nor does KEF, B&W and others who suggest that they do. I would not put them on andy-2's list.

Used Krell FPB’s often times recapped, can be regularly found at near bargain prices. IMHO, great sounding amps that are truly up to the task of powering many of the Thiel’s.

https://www.hifishark.com/search?q=krell+fpb

I worry that we sometimes over generalize amps/speakers compatibility.

Thiel CS 2’s:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/thiel-cs2-loudspeaker-measurements

quite a bit different than Thiel CS 5’s:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/thiel-cs5-loudspeaker-measurements-0

Krell FPB 600:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/krell-full-power-balanced-600-power-amplifier-measurements

quite a bit different than

Krell KAV 300i:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/krell-kav-300i-integrated-amplifier-measurements

Don’t get caught up in the hype of the gurus. Check the specs, and better yet check the independent measurements. Doing this will save a lot of wasted time and money, making one’s short list much more manageable. Then sonic preferences will be the final arbitrar. Power amps capable of driving many Thiel’s are often big and heavy. Shipping and set up can get expensive and inconvenient.

True doubling down is really just theoretical. In actuality amps that tout this typically understate the power into higher impedances. In effect there is a window of operation into various loads that will determine appropriate application. Still with that said, I suspect that an amp with less high impedance power that can come closer to doubling down and down again (if necessary for the application) might have some advantages over a high powered amp that still outputs the comparable power into lower impedances, After all the extra power into higher impedances might be wasted. Of course as long as the amp is up to the job, the sonic qualities that are unmeasurable might sway one differently.

Another concern I have is when some say that Jim might have recommended a particular brand of amp at a time when the Thiel products had different amplification requirements than later models. What was recommended then was for then. What came later might get very different recommendations.

I strongly believe that the best course of action is to lean on the side of caution. Check the impedance of a particular Theil model and then double that down to the round impedance divisible for that particular speaker model (e.g. 2.4 Ohms to 2 Ohms) then multiply the minimum recommended power for that particular Thiel model down to that impedance (e.g. 100-400 Watts to 400-1200 Watts). This will be especially true with tube amplification. Of course different rooms and volume expectations will vary power requirements. Personally I think the old audiophile rule of thumb to double the minimum recommended power, though not hard and fast, has proven to be well time tested. As has been pointed out being stable into short term peaks is not really good enough for many Thiel models.



My only experience of amps on the 1.6s has been Accuphas (too tame), Rega Cursa/Maia (not quite enough in reserve when called upon but up for it), and Naim 282/250 same RMS power as the Regas 80W but with a much better transient reserve and these coped very well. With the exception of the Accuphase these amps could make the Thiels Rock, not something they seem to be noted for I gather. A Rega Osiris would be worth a try if available too from what I've heard from it elsewhere.
As I've said in the past, I use a pair of Cambridge 840s with my 3.7s and I think they're completely adequate, at least at the moderate volumes I listen at. You'd pay in the 3-4k range for a pair. I know a guy who hangs around on audioasylum uses a $2,500 parasound a21 on his 3.7s and has for a while. I tend to think that amps are a good place to make a compromise on price. As long as they have enough power the differences tend to be small compared to speakers. I think the preamp makes a significantly bigger difference overall.  The Benchmark looks like it'd probably do fine with most Thiels, although it's pretty small compared to your pair of Classe amps. I'd be interested to know how a bridged pair would do with the low impedance.

I assume going forward people building Thiel systems will be the type who are more interested in getting great sound for the money than in big names or eye candy.  I get more satisfaction from knowing I got great performance for a moderate amount of money  I've got around 16k in my system and it's so good I have no interest in messing with it.  Benchmark DAC2, Bryston BP26, Cambridge 840 x2, Thiel 3.7, Infinity Intermezzo 1.2 sub.  The electronics definitely won't win a beauty contest but they perform great.