Class D = Trash?


So, I'm on my second class D amp. The first one, a Teac AI-301DA which claimed to use an ICE module, was unlistenable trash. I burned it in for a few weeks, it just couldn't perform, so I sent it back. Following that, I tried the new Emotiva A-300 (class A/B). It was significantly better, but lacking in too many ways for my tastes. So I changed gears, got an 845 SET from China -- and it was an immediate and massive improvement.

So, before I went further down the SET road, I wanted to try a better class D product using a modern class D module. I settled on the D-Sonic M3-800S with the Pascal module and custom input stage. I read from reviews that these things like to have big cables, so I picked up an eBay 8 gauge power cable (Maze Audio, el-cheapo Oyaide copy plugs, braided 4-wire cable) to go along with it.

Mid-range GONE.
Soundstage depth CRUSHED.
Euphonics DISAPPEARED.

Yes, resolution went up. Driver control went up, allowing me to play compressed rock/pop and orchestra with the speakers being able to render it all. But enjoyment in the sound is basically gone. Using my best power cable (LessLoss Original) improved performance, but didn't fundamentally change the amp's nature. I ran back to my headphones (Focal Utopias) to detox my ear canals.

So, how long does a class D need to burn-in? I want to give it a fair shake before writing the technology off forever. 
madavid0

Good points @sfseay and Geoffkait....


No, I have not sat on my thumbs for thousands of hours, but yes, I typically assess the sound periodically  on a number of CDs, particularly on a test CD containing several key tracks that I compiled in 2005. Yep, still use the same one for consistency, amongst other ones.


I also have developed an automated spreadsheet tracker that I have used for a decade or so to track and annotate progress.


When possible, I drive a music signal or FM instation hash through the system whenever I am not listening to music... Yes, this means also night time.... If not FM radio is available.... Like in my current setup, I play music at low level or a break-in CD containing hash.


If the weather is stormy, I disconnect the entire system from the AC mains.


I am sure that time of day, weather, AC mains load all play a part on any particular data point.... However, if the long term trend looks like a stockastic curve pointing upwards, I venture to guess that things are moving in the right direction.


And you guys are correct..... Do not trust me nor anyelse's ears, no matter their particular metallurgy.... Golden, Silver, Tin, Transuranic, leadden, or otherwise.... Use your own ears as much as you can, and well... Yes... Trust them... It's your musical taste that counts, not mine.  If you do not, you will turn into a paper audiophile.


G.

  

geoffkait,

I kind of doubt anyone can actually track the sound of something breaking in, even though break in is probably real, since there are too many variables, e.g., weather, time of day, day of week, many others. In addition, any audiophile who’s going to keep track of the sound and determine when exactly a given component or cable or speaker has completely broken in will most likely be breaking in more than one thing at a time and will be adding tweaks all the while.

In addition, if I can be so bold, unless a purpose built break-in device is employed the chances are slim to zero that the component is question EVER breaks in completely. The music signal doesn’t cut it. There’s just not enough time to do everything that should be done without being slowed down to a snail’s pace by having to sit on one’s thumbs for 200 hours or 600 hours or whatever while something breaks in. Give me a break!

Well spoken and so totally true.

Kenny.
I've owned an emerald physics 100.2SE for a couple of years now and harsh, thin, hashy, fatiguing are not words I'd ever use to describe it. Its been smooth, effortless, and detailed with two different pre amps and 3 different speakers. I have a nuprime dac10 now and would love to try an ST10 with it
If classD=trash, than Audiogon should have curb alert section.

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Kenny.