Speakers that are very accurate sounding but don't produce an emotional connection.


I have listened to a few speakers over the years that impressed me with their accuracy and presentation of the music, but just did not create an emotional response or connection. I have often wondered what that quality is in some speakers that produce an emotional connection with the listener. This quality has been identified by audiophiles, as "magical", "engaging"  "just right"  "euphonic"  "natural"  "true to life". " "satisfying"  "musical"....  I am sure there are at least 50  other  adjectives that could describe this "quality" of  sound . 

Considering the various aspects  of achieving  good and accurate sound by component synergy, is there a way to explain this so-called magical element that often eludes so many of us??.  I don't think such a feeling is temporal, conditioned by personal moods, or the phases of the moon or sun.  

Like to hear from members who have given some thought to the same issue.    Thanks,  Jim   

BTW, I know the thread is a bit out there, but  I don't think the topic is pointlessly pursuing the genie in the bottle. 


sunnyjim
Early model YG speakers, B&W Diamond speakers, Wilson Alexia, Crystal Arabesque mini come to mind..

To respond to a previous member's comments about the YG Carmel, the new Carmel Mk2 is a completely different proposition & sounds musically engaging to me. I didn't like the original Carmel, but I like this one. With that said, I think the Magico S1 Mk2 will have the wood on it.
Not at all too "out there" of a topic...but, for me, too, it’s just been pretty doggone hard to ever reliably identify any real cause. Although they can certainly be pointed to as exhibiting the effect sometimes, it’s not just limited to speakers either...amps, amp/preamp combinations and amp/speaker combinations, as has been mentioned, have sometimes seemed to exhibit this problem, but also TT’s and/or carts (perhaps more particularly, it may seem, among some of the post-CD designs) have done this as well. Even some rather expensive systems based on these components from time to time have been reported to leave some listeners a bit cold - very competent sounding, but, somehow just too sterile or un-involving. This particular anomaly to me doesn’t seem to have any clear common denominator. Sometimes it looks as though it might be a setup or synergy type thing - a user problem, and sometimes it seems as though it might be a problem with particular gear - a manufacturer problem...as though it may have been designed with possibly a little too much emphasis on engineering and perhaps not enough on listening evaluations along the course of its development...or maybe simply designed by some people who aren’t exactly clued in on what real music sounds like...or who are at least not considering what would pass for a musical sound, anyway. Everybody may have a different take on what is musical, or how much emphasis should be placed on which musical aspects, or whatever. I would like to think that as a relatively experienced listener that I have a rather good grasp on that at this point, at least for my own purposes anyway, but I also know that my own definition of what is musical is not quite the same as what it was even ten years ago, nor was it then the same as it was ten years before that. Everybody’s experience level keeps changing over time and at any time, of course, there are any number of people in this hobby who have been at it longer than me, are just starting out or are anywhere in between. I’d say it’s probably the same with manufacturers...at least with the good ones who are determined to not just reach a certain plateau and stay there... But, I can only guess that the phenomenon you point out, Sunnyjim, is one for which there is not really any single cause.
Ivan,
Good thoughts and perspective.
One man's accurate and neutral is another man's sterile  and dry.
One man's natural  and holistic  is another man's too warm and colored.
Charles,

I have felt this is a problem with many "High End" speakers for many years and I agree with Rhyno, that the amp is to blame, in many instances. A particular example of this is Wilson speakers. I find their sound unlistenable with most SS amps, the exceptions being D'Agostino and Dartzeel amps, both way outside my affordability zone. Put them with tubes, particularly ARC and they are great. I heard the new Wilson Sabrina's with an ARC LS17 pre and Ref 75 power amp, at a small show recently and I loved them.

 There are a few Speaker brands with a strong following, I have never enjoyed. They include Focal, B&W and Magico and I know the latter suggestion may be received with howls of protest, but I just don't enjoy Magico speakers. I find them dry and clinical, for my tastes.

  In general, my favourite speakers tend to be relatively high sensitivity and a good match with tubes. The Daedalus speakers I use I would include of course, but I also enjoyed Silverline, particularly the Bolero, Devore and the bigger Tannoy's