SME turntables


Just curious. SME tonearms are in high esteem. What about their turntables? They don't seem to be as popular.
inna
Dear Inna,
Apologies my friend. I said the answer to the question was a simple one but I didn't say its implementation would be ;^)

I guess what I'm really trying to say is that we will never be truly happy unless our choices are pleasing to us.

You missed another most important condition : dealers tend to be franchised and limit the number of different alternatives they offer so they'll be plugging whatever big name turntable comes into your head and possibly one or 2 other big names (if we're lucky) so it becomes physically impossible to evaluate all the permutations you describe. In a way this is probably a blessing ;^)
Having said this a good dealer (assuming folk have access to one) will take some of the guesswork out of it.

One thing which becomes clear from visiting many different dealers is that it is possible you may not like ANY of the items on offer, reinforcing the importance getting something that you DO like.
All is not lost though. Even though the T/T may not be 100% favourable, another aspect of turntable management is the "tuning process". You can have a barrowload of fun with this : turntable mats, clamps, weights, periphery rings, earthing main bearings, variable tonearm damping (some arms have a well for damping fluid), removing energy "drains" from your turntable and tonearm, removing extraneous mechanical resonators from your turntable, changing the type of support, re-building your house etc etc.
The sky's the limit...
In reality I wouldn't recommend doing half of this stuff but rather explore choices that make the more drastic ones unnecessary?

I make it sound like it is the most hateful thing on Earth but in fact I wouldn't consider existence meaningful without a turntable. It allows access to the music in a way that nothing else can. It's all worth it in the end :)

All the very best,
I have owned a top SME arm, and also feel they are "lifeless".

Also very poor pivot height (VTA/SRA) adjustment, and no azimuth adjustment.

A micrometer head is the way to go for arm height (VTA/SRA) adjustment!  Would not want an arm without one.

There are better turntables for less money IMO.
Responding to doc_c55, I too note some issues with the SME arms, but would not characterize them as "lifeless" per se - colored, but not lifeless.  I heartily agree with the frustration of adjusting azimuth - you basically need to create shims to add to the cartridge screws, or otherwise mess around with how the tonearm is mounted in the base.  VTA is also a pain, but you can work through it with patience.

I don't agree there are clearly "better" turntables for less money, particularly at their used prices - perhaps there are tables different in presentation that may suit an individual's tastes more (particularly certain direct drive tables as I note above), but I would put an SME 20 or 30 at its respective used price against anything on Audiogon right now.
A used SME 20 or 30 is a great table and a good buy, at retail it is vastly over priced for the way it sounds.  Do you enjoy paying for shipping, currency, dist. markup, dealer markup, and the list goes on.  Used it's a great buy, new not so much.  Stick with an elliptical stylus though, you will never get a micro-ridge or line contact set up correctly.

After owning three SME tables I will tell you first hand, it is impossible to get the most out of a great cartridge using an SME arm, you do not have enough setup options and what you have are terrible.  Let's be honest here, if you bought a car and couldn't adjust the mirrors would you recommend it!!!!

The better the cartridge the less likely you can get it to sound its best on an SME table.  This is not debatable, this is fact, and a phase response test will show it.

HW
I like the SME Arms, and have never had any issues with setup - the 312S which is my preferred arm have some azimuth adjustment because of the removable head shell.  I do agree that VTA adjustment  is "clunky" however its not a setting I change once its setup, lets face it SRA is not changing more than a few 1/1000 of a degree with the varying thickness of LP records.  If you follow the correct instructions on how to mount the arm properly especially in regards to the offset angle, so that the rails of the SME mounting base is at the correct angle in relation  to the spindle,  any cartridge can be dialed in perfectly.

I find that they are extremely well and solidly built, and once set up all settings can be securely locked in place.

Good Listening and Happy Holidays


Peter