Small sub

if you can fit a jl audio fantum 112, it is the best sub out ther in what I cansider a small size. Trouble is a sub has to move air which by definition means some size. JL cheats a little since they have one of the longest throughs on the market. I also like velodyne alot. Personally I don't do small subs I never found one that wasn't to much of a compromise. the f112 is the smallest I would go.

I know the JBL L8400 isn't a brand name to deserve to be mentioned here but I'm curious if anyone has experienced with it? If possible, how is it (in many aspects) compare with the MiniVee?
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I'm too looking for a small subwoofer (in CHERRY color) mainly for music. My room size is 16x16x8.

James SW20,
What's your room size?

I use a M&K KX12 with my spendors,it is a great little sub.It is always on ebay for $400.00 new with shipping give it a try.

Von Schweikert VR1 is what you described.

I hate small subs. My sunfire actually danced around when pushed hard. To get good performance out of a tiny box is hard. Also, even though they are small, it doesn't mean that you can just "hide" it. Shoving it in a corner or under something else will hurt the sound.

I had much better sound out of an 8" energy than the sunfire. The energy didn't try to compensate for lack of size or power. However, once going to a 15" velodyne, I'll never go back.