Klipsch KLF-20 vs. Tyler Talyo 7U?

JK,

Since you own two sets of KLF-20’s, one stock and one with upgraded xovers, it would have made sense for you to comment on what you think the differences are between the two. It would also have made sense for you to describe your room size and system to give some perspective on your comments.

You say “That's why I like to get a detailed technical evaluation that is complete to really sort things out logically to weed out over stated dramatic hyped up statements to the real true facts of improvements.” K.I.S.S. – Keep it simple stupid…..it either sounds better or it doesn’t. Obviously, you don’t read/belong to the Klipsch forum, because you would have read/known that EVERYONE who has upgraded their Klipsch xovers, recommends upgrading Klipsch xovers because of the sonic improvements. They even go as far as saying “you haven’t heard Klipsch until you’ve upgraded the xovers.” When it’s a unanimous statement like that, that speaks volumes. So it’s not just my ears.

I took the time to familiarize myself with my KLF-20’s in stock form for 4 years, so I know how good they are in stock form. I then spent my personal time and money to upgrade the internals, which (since I did the work) know how cheap the parts are and that those cheap parts will hold this speaker back from their full potential. So let me make this clear for you, the KLF-20’s sound very good in stock form but until you upgrade the xovers, you will never hear the full potential of these speakers.

You say “Klipsch generally makes good quality crossovers that sound great in original stock form right out of the box.” If that was the case, then why do the majority of people on the Klipsch forum upgrade their stock xovers? That is because the stock xovers use very cheap parts, plain and simple. Now, do they sound good in stock form, well that depends on many things and is very subjective. Overall, yes they do sound good in stock form and many people could live with them that way. For the people who want to get the most out of these speakers and take them from good to great, you have to upgrade the xovers.

That is factual and honest advice, from a person who has owned these speakers in stock and upgraded form; from a person who has taken the time to verify and research the quality of components used in the stock xover networks and carefully select better replacement parts with higher performance capabilities.

Vman71,

I'm a bit taken back by your response. You loose some respect and credibility with me when you choose to call someone stupid and such. There is no need for
this!

I am a member of the Klipsch forum. We all don't agree on the same things even there as you well know. The majority users there like the changes the crossovers provide. Some have said it's a nice subtle improvement, some say it's a huge improvement. I try not to give my personal opinions too much on such matters (gets some folks upset) as the crossovers because I don't feel that the improvement was as big of a difference as some had claimed. The difference between both my KLF-20's are more subtle improvements than I expected. It has been pointed out many times by others that it will be more subtle improvements with better equipment and larger improvements with lesser quality equipment. In my case it's more subtle, as I am running them on some expensive gear. It's not enough in my case to have the crossovers done on my second pair, and yes... I'm fine with how the stock crossovers sound on that pair.

No one always agress on everything, especially not in audio. It is all subjective. I certainly don't agree with the majority of the Klipsch forum members who feel the Klipschorn's are by far superior than the Klipsch RF-7's! I have both and they both are my most favorite speakers out of the complete Klipsch line, and both can do things the other can't. We all like different things, have different ideas and such, so there is no need to be hostile just because I'm giving some reflection of my own personal opinion, and I'm more of a minority on the Klipsch forum than how the masses feel and think as you can see. Doesn't mean I am right or you are wrong.

I have no doubt in my mind how you feel the improvements are creditable and I won't argue with you about that, no need to, but saying that upgrading the
klipsch crossovers is an absolute must is just misleading information. They do sound good as they are, and as I said before, it will do anyone well until they have the funds to seek your service to take the speakers to the next level. It's just not an "absolute must" as you said to upgrade for them to be listenable. It gives the wrong impression of these fine speakers.

I wish you well and have a good week.

I've decided to go for Taylo 7U.
Nobody so far has been able to provide direct comparison report on those two speakers. Yes, they are very different speakers and I will be able to listen to both of them in 2 weeks or so, and probably be able to tell some.
I've already listened to Taylo ref monitor in my friend's friend's small apartment living room, and with Plinius ss 175W integrated amp, it sounded more detailed and full with wider sound stage. So, I would expect 7U is only better, but the question still remains that if I would feel the same thing in my wider room with much lesser Yaqin amp (and lesser CD player).

I am not thinking of crossover upgrade right now, but if 7U gives far superior sound, then I may feel more urge on upgrading KLF-20 later on.

Again, thanks for your thought.

jk@usa.com: Vman71, I'm a bit taken back by your response. You loose some respect and credibility with me when you choose to call someone stupid and such. There is no need for this!

Hi JK, you might be misinterppreting Vman71. He did not call anyone stupid. He mentioned "K.I.S.S. – Keep it simple stupid" which is a legitimate expression in modern American English (going back to Apollo sspace programs at least). Look at this Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle.

Or try the google search:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Keep+it+simple+stupid&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

More recently KISS has inspired other expressions in similar vein; perhaps the best known of these is "It's the economy, stupid".

Don't take them personally. Cheers.

Hello jk. I have to respectfully disagree with you. And totally agree with Vman. I have 3 sets of Deang upgraded crossovers on 1981 Cornwalls,
1983 Cornwalls & 1989 industrial LaScalas.

I own 4 separate systems-both solid state separates-power amp/preamp & tube separates-power
amp/preamp. Separates will let you hear a huge improvement in sonics over the stock Klipsch crossover networks. I don't possess golden ears or am I an audiophile snob. I am just a music lover that likes good quality high performance gear. With more expensive gear, it will easily let you hear the higher fidelity sonic improvement over the stock Klipsch crossover networks. I am not b.s.ing. There are more people
over at the Klipsch Forum that hear a huge improvement than those that do not. The people that hear a sonic improvement usually own more expensive gear-ie separates-power amp/preamp.