Yamaha CD S1000 or S2100 as transport


This is for owners of the Yamaha CD S1000, S21000 or S3000 CD players. I want to use one of these as a transport-only paired with an external DAC. Since they all seem to use the same rigid aluminum transport mechanism and laser, would there be a noticeable difference in sound quality between them? I'd like to go with the S1000 since it's significantly less expensive, but I'm willing to spend more if the SQ of the S2100 or S3000 is better.

Thoughts appreciated*

* Not interested in suggestions to use a different transport than one of these three, so please stay on topic.

output555

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@output555 In full transparency I am a dealer (and audiophile first) but do not represent or sell Yamaha.  I’ve owned both units but didn’t A/B them to an external DAC, so take this with a grain of salt. 

I’m actually not convinced that the drive trays and transports are all the same in both units, even though they look the same. I know the 2100 has the same transport as the flagship 3000, so there may be some bracing improvements etc that help it to perform better. Also:

1. The 2100 has slightly better cabinet bracing for improved stability and vibration reduction overall. 
2. The 2100 has improved power supplies, and two of them, one dedicated to digital signals and a more robust supply for everything else. This may result in a lower chance of ripples in the current which result in more clarity in the transport’s performance. 
3. The 2100 is considerably newer. Dealing with the 1000 means having a transport that has been manufactured and/or used for 14 years. Yes it looks like the unit can still be purchased new, so that would be your better route if you do go for the 1000.
4. The 2100 has a DPLL function. While the manual states this is in the DAC, it should be tied to the internal clock and not through the DAC stage (I could be wrong but I think the manual just wants to make it easier for people to understand even if not entirely true). Since the only options for digital output are spdif (Toslink and coax), it will use the internal clock of the 2100 and likely keep the DPLL setting, which may add to the snappiness of the sonics. 
5. If you didn’t want to use the digital out, the internal DAC is considerably better, and the 2100 can also be used as a USB DAC on its own. Very useful should you decide to simplify the chain down the road.

If it were up to me, I’d swing for the 2100.

 

@output555 It's my pleasure. I find it fascinating how bad the product marketing is for most brands/manufacturers. Just a little bit of effort to help describe the benefits of each step up in their lines and a comparison chart would go a long way in helping people decide on the right product for them. While the Yamaha is great, after owning both, I can honestly say the customer centricity and service is quite bad. The units are great if they work as intended, but should you need service and support, you will be directed to a Yamaha-authorized service center (not run by Yamaha), and in my case with an issue on a Yamaha A-S3000, it took a year to get it back with little to no return communication from them when I inquired. So that's something to consider when purchasing!