Would You Rather Own A Good SET Amp, Or A Great Push Pull Amp?


Throwing this out there because I would appreciate the viewpoints of the many knowledgeable, and experienced audio people here. I'm really torn about a decision I am considering in this regard. And no, sorry, I cannot name the amps involved. I could lose one or both options if I publicized them here. And honestly, only the tiniest fraction of forum members would ever have listened to even one of these options. 

The speakers they would be used with can equally accommodate either of these choices per the designer/manufacturer, who I ran it by. 

Your thoughts would be appreciated. 

nightfall

@yoyoyaya I remember hearing something like that too. 

The thing about distortion is we don't put a weight on the harmonics generated. The higher ordered harmonics are the ones that really mess with the ear- the 2nd and 3rd, hardly at all. 

But most amps have what looks like low higher ordered harmonic distortion on paper. If those harmonics are masked by lower orders (the 2nd and 3rd) then they aren't heard. SETs have the most higher ordered harmonics of any kind of amp made, but because the 2nd and 3rd harmonics they also make are prodigious enough, the amp sounds nice and smooth. 

Where I'm going with this is that the distortion signature of the amp is more important than the THD. The amp might be quite low in distortion but if the higher orders are not masked it will not sound musical. 

@sns  - thank you so much for your thorough and detailed reply : ) - you have raised important issues there to consider. If I may ask further - have you encountered any particular typology or signal chain to speaker that is not biased to either a forward or recessed presentation but is neutral as a general characteristic?


In friendship - kevin

SETs need high efficiency speakers and ideally subwoofers to support them. Compared to PP, which offer balanced operation, in my experience SETs major benefit is a better rendition of attack and decay.They subjectively have a faster attack (particularly noticeable on the reeds in oboes and clarinets and more organic reverb (best heard on good piano recordings).While @atmasphere is firmly advocating balanced connection I have so far been unable to replicate this SET advantage in a balanced setup. Even with highest efficiency horn speakers, headbangers listening to amplified instruments should stick to PP since in most instances the above SET benefits have been obviated by the PP amplifiers used when recording.

Having been around this crazy hobby for 40 years+ I have yet to find a better amp for listening to classical and jazz than Nobu Shishido’s Wavac EC300B with Takatsuki tubes.

Please continue to comment as a number of you have raised some very interesting points about the strengths of types of speakers. 

Meanwhile, I am still heartbroken about losing the amp, and by minutes. Something almost certainly never recoverable from. Eight years of effort, and hope, lost all at once. 

But I am learning things from the alternate discussion, which is never a bad thing. 

It is regrettable that the one you really wanted got away.  But, there are a lot of fish in the sea, and perhaps you will find something tat you will really like if you continue to do what you are doing which is to search for alternatives.  Absent more information, it is hard to make specific recommendations, but, I have some general observations.  First, I tend to like low-powered tube amps, whether SET or pushpull.   SET amps tend to be much simpler in design, which leads a lot of people to assume that they are cheaper to build.  Indeed, there are a lot of low-cost Chinese-built SET amps on the market.  But, SET amps require the air-gapped transformer that Atmasphere described above and good ones tend to be quite expensive, so a good SET amp is usually quite expensive.

I particularly tend to not like the sound of high-powered pushpull amps that use a lot of output tubes of the like of KT88, KT120 and KT150 tubes.  The sound is, to me anyway, "brittle" (hard and edgy).  I much prefer lower-powered pentode and tetrode tubes in pushpull amps utilizing only two tubes per channel.  My favorite types are 6L6, KT66 and EL84.  The EL84 is apparently a very easy to work with tube because there are MANY examples of low cost, good sounding amps utilizing that tube.  Low-powered triode tubes are also very good in pushpull configuration although they still should only be used with very efficient speakers.  I had a wonderful sounding 45 pushpull amp that put out about 4 watts per channel.  My current 349 pushpull amp puts out about 5 watts.