Would silver cables beat UP-OCC copper?

Then don't respond to my posts. I won't loose sleep over it. You responded to my post in this thread. I stated that the overall the replies were pretty random. They are.

If you ask for what is the best cable, if you get 50 answers, you will get 50 different ones. Pretty much random. That should tell you something.

Also, anyone know the Dielectric Constant (Dk) of the enamel coating on magnet wire?

@koestner ,


There are any number of varnish types but polyurethane and polyimide and polyester are most common.  For speakers, there are some epoxies and polyvinyls too.

Listening to the copper set up I was noting the pluses and minuses. It was when I put on a solo cello was when I heard the grossest event. The cello was playing dead center and as it played, some of it went about 1/3 of the way to the left when it always stayed nice and centered.

I chalked that up to the stranded wire.

You honestly believe the location of an instrument shifted what, 10-20 degrees because of stranded wire?  You do realize that makes almost anything you write suspect?   Perhaps you could discuss how we perceive instrument location and how stranded wire shifted the image 10-20 degrees?


Are you familiar with Occam's Razor?  ... the simplest explanation is usually the right one.


Did it occur to you that you had a bad connection that worked its way loose? It wasn't stranded wire that caused the image to shift. It may have been a bad connection. That could have explained the other issues too.

Notice in the quote that I said some of it went about 1/3 to the left, not all of it. In your eagerness to be a PITA you pounced before you looked. But being you, I don't expect you to say anything productive.

Again, we go back to Occam's razor. Some of it went 1/3 to the right, so like 10-20 degrees. You do realize this is a major change?  Stranded wire does not do this. Copper / silver does not do this. A significant shift in the frequency response on only one side could do this. In your eagerness to blame stranding, you did not think.  You have assigned a conclusion without any consideration to whether that conclusion even makes sense or is possible.

And all it took was a cable swap and the imaging fell apart with the speakers being more the source of the sound?

If you assign special pleading to your results, you will never discover what really happened.  That is your choice, but why encourage others to pursue the same path?

Unless you are somewhat close to a 60 degree angle, say 50-70, your sound stage is probably pretty screwed up anyway. Sure narrower gives a better defined center image, and wider can give you more stage width while making the center fuzzy, and that is all personal preference, but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. 1/3 of 1/2 of 60 = 10 degrees. Easy peasy.

Again, Occam's razor. You are trying to assign special properties, outside what is possible, to stranded wire. The reasonable thing to do is look at what is more likely. You are misinterpreting, you are biased, or something is broken.  Stop getting all incensed, step back, and think about what is really happening and why.  Getting angry at me is not going to change your listening, though it may reinforce or break a bias. I lean towards the former.

Nonoise, I see you and others try to play this trick with me and perhaps you do it with others. I am the newest boogie man I see. I am but one person. For the most part, I don’t see people who take a more reasoned and skeptical approach to improvement throwing out random insults when others don’t agree with them. Yes, they will state, repeatedly bias, because it is very real, and unavoidable. They may point out statements that are simply untrue, by any understanding we have (which is quite extensive). But the name calling, the insults, the deflections from the topic, all signs of being unable to address the issue, that comes from people like you. Those are the signs of someone angry and incensed. As Prof pointed out, you and others accuse everyone else of being narrow and dogmatic, but you fail to even consider it yourselves to the point of not even being able to admit that you have bias and are fallible.  You insist we say it is our way or the highway, but the only thing we insist on is recognizing that you have bias, and you are fallible. It is a simple statement of truth.  You and other claims "trust your ears", but you don't trust your ears. If you did, you would not practically insist on sighted comparisons. Worse, you claim that people who take a reasoned and skeptical approach only "listen to measurements", to such a degree that you try to throw this in our faces, even though in a given topic, measurements have not been mentioned, at all, and every bit of the discussion is about ears only testing. Don't say it does not happen. It has happened a few times just in the last week.  I am sorry that these forums are primarily public and you have to be exposed to opinions and facts that you do not like.