World's best Pre-amp for $10K and above?


Looking for the HOLY GRAIL in Audio? Here it is. I'm in my early sixties and retiring to my final system, which I was going to purchase during the past twelve months and decided to put on the brakes, and investigate whats out there as the most advanced engineered high end audio products for the money in the market place. As far as I'm concerned, the two top engineers in the world for the best Amp and Preamp at low prices are Bent Holter with Hegel Audio in Norway and Roger Sanders with Sanders Sound in Colorado. Why? The Hegel P-30 Pre-amp is a game changer, and will easily compete with Pre-amps at $30K and above. The FM Acoustics 268 Preamp that retails for $107K, uses a technology thats called "feedforward" instead of feedback.
Amps and Pre-amps since the early 80's have all used either global feedback, zero feedback or local feedback to filter out noise and lower distortion by sending and filtering the feedback current to filter capacitors or or an extra filter transformer. A small amount of voltage feedback occurs at the output stage in amps and preamps which goes back into the parts and boards causing noise and distortion which smears the quality of the music.The best Preamps in the world all have S/N noise ratios at 125 db's or above. The Hegel P-30 Preamp uses the same feedforward technology as FM Acoustics but is a more current design that Bent Holter calls "Sound Engine" patented technology that eliminates feedback which is why the P-30 Preamp has a S/N ratio of 132 db's, which has never been accomplished in high end audio with a Preamp costing $10K or below. The same applies to Roger Sanders Magtech amplifier which uses a patented linear voltage regulator that controls and regulates voltage with no excess voltage going back into the amp causing heat and distortion problems. The amp puts out 900 watts into 4ohms. Krell makes a pair of mono blocs that also use a similar voltage regulator. The amps are $100K a pair. HERES THE PERFECT SOLID STATE SYSTEM. A Hegel P-30 Preamp. A Sanders Magtech amp, A pair of Aerial Acoustics 7T speakers. The worlds finest SACD player, the Playback Designs MPS-5, designed by Andreas Koch, who invented SACD technology when he worked for Sony. He built the worlds first outboard DAC in 1982 and is legend in digital engineering. The MPS-5 is the most analog sounding player on the market which costs $17K. The Hegel P-30 is only $7500.00 and the Magtech amp is only $5K. The Aerials are $10K. Buy the solid core cables from Morrow Audio. They are low capacitance cables which matches up perfectly with these components. This combination sounds like the very best tube and solid state gear on the market. The whole system will cost about $42K but will sound as good as any system costing $200K. All of these products are game changers. If you want better looking cabinets and faceplates, then blow your money, but you will not get better performance for what this system has to offer. It is the HOLY GRAIL you are searching for and there is no better combination for the total cost of the system.
audiozen

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As always this is a dead end discussion. Were all our ears the same and tastes the same, there might be a clearly best preamp. Even then, however, I doubt it. Imagine a "best" wine, car, wife, ice cream, composer, pop star, or pizza.
If you heard the MMMicro One speakers at the last RMAF, the excellent sound came in part from the BMC Amp C1 integrated amp.
Budt, I do. It is very good and its Wavefront Timing Control allows dialing in a very realistic image. The only problem is that they were very under capitalized and have all but out of business. I am a long time friend of Roger Paul and I cannot reach him any longer. Repair service is very unlikely.

I recently sold one of my P-12Rs to guys in Taiwan and they wrote saying that it smoked very expensive units and they bought another one.
In my personal experience, the Koda takumi K 10 is the best I've experienced. You might want to check out Audioexotics.hk/ for multiple raves. Everything they say is right on. The only American line stage that approaches it is the Exemplar XP-2.
Audiozen, err, what do you get for double the price with the Balabo BC-1?
Larryi, I agree. I have heard the Balabo at shows. It sounded quite good. I now have a Koda K 10. It has a sound characteristic that I find warmer than the best solid state units and more defined and more real than the best tube units. My big problem with it is the gross jumps in its 22 position pot.

In my response to Audiozen, I was merely noting the sharp difference in price of the two linestages. I used to have respect for Valin's judgments in FI, but no longer. Certainly I noted that I said "in my personal experience," Charle1dad. As always I think it is ludicrous to use words to compare sounds and long for the day when a reviewer can merely say, "Listen to this comparison. I found preamp A clearly superior to B; do you?"
Jwm, reviewers were better when neither Stereophile nor TAS had any advertising and when there were few companies making equipment. Emags and advertising taint the market as does the failure of most dealerships. But we cannot go back. This is why audioexotics and whatsbestforum are so important.
Geoffkait, Mike reminded me that I heard this preamp as the Blowtorch when Bob brought it up to compare with two passive units that I was experimenting with at the time. As I recall, I preferred it but thought it was too expensive. My H-Cat P-12 looked cheap when compared with the Blowtorch but in some ways was better.

I miss Bob and his curmudgeon ways. We argued constantly, especially when I experimented with old compression driver horns.
Audiozen, I have owned many of the pieces you recommend and tell you that I sold them for one reason, namely I found better.

I think that many here are using the wrong words about science. Theories are plausible explanations of what we have discovered to be relationships. Engineers like to talk about the "laws of physics," but physicists do not. We can only "tentatively" hold some relationship to be true. So in reality we can only say that many designers of audio equipment stress one thing to be most important and others something else.

Some years ago at a Rocky Mountain show, Stereophile had a demonstration of a Boulder amp's reaction of loads on it versus an unknown black amp. They had everyone in the audience sneering at the black amp. I ask to hear some played on both amps and was told they had no speakers. I then suggested that THD might not have been so all important to the black amp designer. There was a gasp! I left the room as devoted to mindless discussions.