Wilson Audio Haters


I've always wondered why there are so many people out there, that more than any other speaker manufacturer, really hate the Wilson line. I own Maxx 2's and also a pair of Watt Puppys. They are IMHO quite wonderful.

Why does Wilson get so much thrashing?

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For transparency and openness, no loudspeaker using dynamic drivers is going to equal an electrostatic or ribbon, imo. Magnetic-planars, though perhaps not as transparent as ESL’s, are also very open sounding. None of these will play as loud, go as low in frequency, or be run by as small an amp, as the Wilsons, but ya can’t have everything. Unless you can afford the new Wilson WAMM, assuming it is as good as it had better be for the price!
Speaking of drivers, isn't the work done in that field by one of David Wilsons major competitors, Richard Vandersteen, impressive? Wilson drivers are merely modified versions of already available models by a couple of leading manufactures; Richard has designed his own from the ground up, and makes them himself. And then prices his products so that working-class stiffs can afford them. A down-to-Earth guy, ta boot. None of that matters if one prefers the Wilson sound to the Vandersteen, of course.
Wilsons target consumer of a $650,000 speaker is not the hardcore audiophile---the type of person who would employ acoustical treatment in a room, but rather the "lifestyle" consumer. Guys like Fabio, whose Infinity IRS/Krell system was set-up in a room with marble floors and glass walls!

That you can get a dipole magnetic-planar loudspeaker than is inherently time-coherent for $600, while 5-figure multi-driver box speakers have their three drivers wired in differing polarities, I have always found quite humorous. Speakers with 1st order filters and multiple same-polarity drivers (Vandersteen for instance) produce time-coherent sound in only a relatively small vertical window. Move a little in the vertical plane and that coherency evaporates. It takes a lot of engineering knowledge and design work to make a multi-driver loudspeaker time-coherent; a planar can do it with no work. Sure, planars have their own weakness. With speakers, you have to pick your poison. I, myself, would never buy a loudspeaker with drivers that move in opposite directions in response to a musical signal. That is RIDICULOUS! What is more basic to doing things correctly than doing that?

The first time I heard a drum reproduced that sounded like a real drum was through the Magneplanar Tympani T-1. It put much more expensive speakers to shame in that regard. The sound of the drumstick’s tip striking the head (plastic or calfskin), the head moving inward from the impact, sending waves of sound down the length of the drumshell and causing the bottom resonant head and the shell itself to vibrate, the timbre of the drum changing as the resonance subsided, were all audible in their percussive glory. That "percussiveness" was not apparent in any other speaker I had ever heard. For a drum to sound right, it’s fundamental (resonant frequency) and all it’s harmonic overtones have to be lined up in time. If they aren’t, the drum doesn’t sound as percussive as it should. Speakers that not time coherent can NOT reproduce a drum (or piano, or any other "struck" instrument, as opposed to one "plucked") correctly, no matter what other capabilities it may possess. Such a loudspeaker is of no interest or use to me. That may not be a universal opinion ;-).

I actually heard the original WAMM's, at John Garland Audio in San Jose. I think they were priced at around $80,000, in 1980's money. Didn't think about them again for years until Brooks Berdan, shortly before his death in 2011 (seems like a lot longer ago), took a pair in trade on whatever were the biggest Wilson's at the time. Those two loudspeakers would have made for an interesting comparison!

gpgr4blu, I heard the WATT/Puppy a lot at Brooks Berdan's shop (his main listening room is excellent, built to the Cardas formula, and treated with RPG diffusers and tube traps), but also at CES and all the consumer California shows (both Northern and Southern). One place I never heard them was in a home---I have never had a close friend who was an audiophile. Musician's have the WORST Hi-Fi's! Evan Johns played me a demo tape of songs in preparation for the recording of an album we were about to begin, and he played in on his system---a boom box!

I'll bet the speaker you passed on was the Vandersteen 5 or 7. As good as they are (and they are VERY good), they too produce a waist-high image. That is a deal breaker for me. Maybe if they were to be placed on a 2' high stand? But then the time-alignment of the drivers would go to pot. Another reason I prefer line sources and/or planars---many of them sound the same whether one is sitting or standing. Not the original QUAD, of course. But that's one reason I had a stacked pair!

It’s funny that one listener found Wilson speakers to produce an image too high. One thing I have always found lacking in the smaller Wilsons (the WATT/Puppy in particular) in their "knee to waist" image height. I don’t care for the view from the balcony---looking down on the performers, preferring to look up at the performers on stage as if from a floor seat. I like vocalist’s mouths to appear about 5’ from the floor, as they do in life. Low image height is a major obstacle for me in the goal of achieving the suspension-of-disbelief. I find line-source speakers and planars in general provide that better than do cones in boxes, generally speaking.