Samuel I'm not attacking Wilson, I'm just stating my opinion that their speakers are some of the very worse I've heard in the past 10 yrs. Worse than Legacy, if you can believe that. That is an opinion, not an unfair attack. I've heard them.
Paul |
I heard the Wislon line 5 yrs ago in New Orleans, was not impressed in the least. They could price em at whatever, I'm not interested. Then throw in the weight issue and amkes me wonder how/who/why anyone would buy. What Mr Wilson should explain is that they put big $$$'s in ads so they can keep the hype up and runnig hot. |
I find it silly that you don't like our freedom to speak our opinions. If you don't like them, then don't buy them. Our opinions that is. See the argument works both ways.
Nice day. |
Macro, is it a sign of their guilty conscience to feel justified with their prices, or yet another another tactic to try to convince us that their speakers are priced right and so worthy of our hard earned $'s.
I couldn't care at what price they sold at, the sound offered was nothing I'm interested in. |
Sure ol Wilson could care less about the few members here at Audiogon, what we say here will not affect their sales even at 1%. but its our OPEN freespeech forum and we can express our opinions in a friendly manner. And offer advice to others here. I can assure you I'm not at all interested in how much money Wilson makes. Good for him, sad for those who buy. As long as he does not get any of mine.
Nice Day
Paul |
Thanks for understanding Samuel. I've been around audio for 30 yrs and I feel my ears have a pretty good judgement. I'm known for telling it like it is. I'm straight up, if I step on toes of famous brands, sorry, its the way I am. I suspect we will have more truth and less hype as the yrs go by. As it is this hobby is still in the hype stage.
Paul |
I like Macrojack's comments on the "real" (somewhat relative) value of any speaker. What he is trying to bring out is that we really need to take a step back and see what we are paying for, his moto and mine would be "by paying more, you may not get more". macro goes on to say , how anyone cares to spend their money is their business, he just wants to get things in focus, he enjoys making critical assessments of price structures. I like his approach. I hate to keep briing up the Seas (stop HYPEING the Seas' would ya please!!!) I added up the price of the drivers as sold retail on madisound add in the Xover parts, + finely made cabinets, attractive, the price comes to very close to exactly what I pd for the kit. Sure I had to pay Richard Grey a fair price (he charged much less than what I actually gave him), took him all of about 30 minutes for BOTH!. Speedy on the gun. Then considering whats in it for the designer of the xover, Dr Apolito, nothing really. I can account for every $ in my speaker. Whats its true value, well each has to make his own conclusions after hearing. You may find its not for you at any price. For me its adifferent story(that is I'd pay much more). The B7W's I bought a few yrs before the seas' kit, cost me $800 for the 602's. Frankly after knowing their sound after a few yrs, they are not worth what i pd. I;d say $500 is fair price new. I see they've come down in price to $700 new/603's, taller cabinet. .
Macro asks, "are you getting value for what you are paying for?" Its a harmless question, but one that should be asked, especially as our $ is shrinking in value in this current economy.
Look it was Mr Wilson that opened up this 'can of worms" in the first place, with his ad statement.
No one is bashing Wilson, just trying to put things in proper perspective.
I actually heard the Wilson line 6 yrs ago, can't recall the associated components, or the exact sound, just know what I heard at that time. |
Boa2 "..everyone desires financial success, and most are begruding toward those who have achieved it".
First I'll say I do not have money, nad Katrina made that even worse (no job) and even if I did , that is have BIG $'s the wilson's would not even be on my list, not even a consideration. I do not see any unfair comments made by us "the poor and the dejected" towards wilson's speakers. Only saying what we know. When spaekers are the topic we should mention all the +'s/-'s of each line. I heard thE wilson's 5 yrs ago at a local shop in New Orleans, and frankly was not impressed in any way/shape/form. btw you do not see post much in the amp forum, beacuse everyone will have his particular taste and amps have a much greater range of characteristics. Ecah can pick and chose as he pleases. But when it comes to speakers then I'll have my opinion in this most critical component.
Are you buying the Wilson just because YOU can afford it? See that comment works both ways. |
BOa I understand that you did speak in a general sense. No harm done. Grant, as much as I admire a particular amp designed in germany/built in china, I'd never buy a chinese speaker, unless of course it was designed by the Danes with Danish parts. The chinese will never make a speaker on their own, worth my interest. The chinese may copy some things in the future, but never to match equally the best Danish drivers. If a amp made in china can deliver what Im looking for(sound quality/build quality) at a very fair (low/cheap) price, I'm gonna go for it. Sure I feel for the US/brit labs. They are about to "take the hit", maybe a big one. I just took the "katrina hit'. Life is not fair, such it is.
I heard the Wilson's in a fair setting, no disadvantage at all. What amp it was/cdp I cannot recall.
I look at it this way, Wilson sets himself up for criricism. Why? Because at those prices you should expect a sound that matches. When i go to hear a expensive speaker I kick my critical era up a few notches. Nothing gets by me, I nail down every fiber of the sound. I zone in to each range of fq to see whats really going on. i disect the sound, and also do a macro imaging test, soundstage = does it sound lifelike, vividness as someone called it. |
"all prices covered...the bottom range at $6K..." Not many of us can afford that asking price, though i know used they can be had for half. Still I think I can do better. I guess Tvad balances out my comments on Wilson with his "Wilson magic". I realize Wilson is directed to a specific high end market and alot of attention goes into his product. If you want big sound, maybe its the price you gotta pay. Whatever. |
Tvad, not refering to Von Schweikert. What I was getting at it China may build some electroics/many designs copies from french, or designed in europe, when it comes to speakers they have a ways to go to catch up to the Danes. I realize many here do not want to see ssales on amps go to the chinese, but this is what the new world economy is all about. Think about this, the latins from all over central america come to this country for decades now, and in ever increasing numbers, which i have no issues with. Miami is the "capital of cuba". But for some reason they ALL (90%) buy Toyotas. That is (used to be 100%) a japenese car. Don;'t you think if they REALLY love this country they'd at least consider a Detroit car? They do not.
I do not post much on the amp forum cause everyone can pick and chose his style. Speakers is a different animal, for the most part. Some are in fact better than others. |
Tvad , have not even 1 Tyler. I am basing my opinion on the fact he uses the same drivers as my seas' kit. I figure the sound msut be close. I have plans to pick up a pr of Systems 2, the 3 way, sometime next yr. Wish I could offer a more solid opinion. There is areview out on Tyler in one of the audio mags, this month. |
