Why not horns?


I've owned a lot of speakers over the years but I have never experienced anything like the midrange reproduction from my horns. With a frequency response of 300 Hz. up to 14 Khz. from a single distortionless driver, it seems like a no-brainer that everyone would want this performance. Why don't you use horns?
macrojack

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I'll chime in regarding Klipschorns.
I had never heard nor seen a pair but decided to look to buy after becoming somewhat bored with my system over the past several years. I had Martin Logans and before that a couple of models of Maggies, Paradigms before that. I just thought it would be fun to try something completely different. I sold all my stuff, bought the KHorns the day I went to listen about a year ago and have been enjoying them since. I have a few SE amps to drive them. Sound is at least as good as what I had before, and even a bit cheaper ($2K for the KHorns, with less expensive amps).
KHorns (or horns in general) might not be for everybody, but they do work well. I'm sure I'll be playing Hi efficiency speakers and low power SE amps for a long time.
Mrd.,
Great post. I feel the same about my Klipschorns as you do about your LaScalas. At the pricepoint these sell for used ($2K) it's hard to beat them. They simply offer things that other designs I've heard and owned do not.
I haven't tweaked mine as much as you - Rewired with solid core copper wire, new crossovers, reinforced the wall corners they sit in, and sealed to the wall corners. Small room with SE tube amps for me.
You say there's no looking back, but I just might go back to non-horns one day just because there are many ways to enjoy good sound.
Cheers!
too large footprint - My Klipschorns take up less room than that behind most speakers. Gotta love that!

Poor bass - I getttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
Sorry about that, as I was typing I got hit in the gut with a bass vibe.
What were we talking about? :)
Jonk - Which Altec models are in the ~$2K range that sound as good or better than say the KHorns?
I've heard Altecs only twice. Once highly modified (Altec drivers in another box) in someone's home, they sounded excellent. First time I heard horns and a big reason I now own KHorns. The other time was at a show where some guy had them open baffel, bi-amped with SS on the bottom and 300b's on top, electronic crossovers, the whole 9 yards. That sounded pretty good too. I don't think either setup gave me a hint of what a pair of Altecs (Model 15, Model 19...I'm guessing now) would sound like.
I've had KHorns for a little over a year. I have them in a dedicated 12' x 13' room, and I think they do well in this size room. Bigger room would certainly be better for them, but smaller speakers have not done better in this room.
Mapman - They extend 22.5" from the corners along the wall, and 27.5" into the room from the corner. 49.5" high. I have a door within 22.5" of a corner, so I put a 2' x 4' MDF board there so the speaker pushes flat against it. You may or may not be able to do this with your window, depends how far the sill or trim extends out (my door trim is .5").
Other things posted above about these speakers (need to be in corners, etc) I agree with except for the possible exception of what JohnK posted ("To me Klipschs are responsible for much of the negatives tossed about by non horn owners."). If this is true maybe it's because it's easier to make them sound bad (wrong amplifier, not properly set in corners, etc.).
I've only heard a few decent horn systems, so I can't really say how well the KHorn represents horns in general. But I will say that for the price (assuming used @ $2K or so) they are very competitive with other speakers. I prefer them to the Logans and maggies I've had in this room, albeit with different electronics. I run my KHorns with a 2A3 SET amp.
Interesting that soccer should come up in this thread, because like soccer Horns or planers, stats, etc. are a matter of taste. Trying to convince someone who does not like horns that they should like horns is like trying to convince someone who does not like soccer that they should like soccer...a tough sell to say the least. And like the many other sports that we all have available to us, so too do we have other types of speakers.

3 things I learned about soccer during this year's World Cup:
1. It's a lot of fun to watch, and we in the US are fools not to join the party, at least once every 4 years (I don't mean participating with a team, I mean fans paying attention. For every minute of WC news coverage, there's 10 minutes of where will Lebron James end up).
2. The stereotype of the soccer player taking a dive and pretending he's injured is not true. It's way worse than that.
3. I hated instant replay, particularly in American football because it stops the game and destroys momentum looking at every play under a microscope. If what I've seen during the World Cup is the alternative, bring on the microscope!
Thanks johnk. If I'm ever in the same room with a pair I'll pay closer attention.
04-30-11: Macrojack
"Is there anyone here who takes any of his many Bose 901 recommendations seriously?"

I've seen HFSG's several hundred Bose 901 recommendations and just figured that he really likes them, wants to stir the pot a bit around here (hey, we could use that), or both.
Comparing them to horns, he's taken it to a whole new level.