Why most $3000 and lower DAC’s sound almost identical


I have a theory as to why all modern DACs essentially sound so similar these days, making it difficult to differentiate between them. IMO modern Delta Sigma chips have homogenized DACs into close to the same sound, making it very easy to take any DAC under $3000 and find it will sound good as another.

What I have discovered is that ladder R2R DACs and fully discrete DSD DAC’s are creating a better soundstage and less digital “glare”. An observation supported by countless others - nothing new. Anything with a Delta Sigma chip-based DAC that does oversampling will have less soundstage and more glare.

Nothing new so far - most of you will likely agree that that the above is a common consensus but here is the new bit, so read on if you are curious…

The dissatisfaction with this sound has led to a band-aid solution where Delta Sigma DAC manufacturers now offer a plethora of filters from sharp to smooth, linear phase to minimum phase. All of this is hand waving nonsense that offers a band aid to what is an absolutely fundamental design issue.

FUNDAMENTAL DESIGN ISSUE:

All oversampling with Delta Sigma offers superb measured spec at very low cost - it’s the logical choice for anyone using Precision test equipment to design a DAC. Typical chip filters use about 60 taps in their filters. They also ALL use Parks-McLellan filter designs (which has best “spec” and the short tap length is required for low-latency and easy processing). The result is a filter that has equiripple through the entire pass band. Mathematically it is a fact that an equiripple in the frequency domain equates to two echoes in the time domain - a pre-echo and post-echo. The “digital glare” heard is because of these echoes, likely the pre-echo is most audible. Our ears brain are processing the echos because unlike noise they are a complete reflection of the entire audio signal - low in level but lasting long enough to be detected by our acuity to locate the source of a sound. It is the same reason our speakers sound and image much better when moved out into the room and away from any close proximity to reflective surfaces. Despite these echoes being 60 db down from the primary signal, my listening sessions have convinced me of their audibility, particularly the echoes caused by the first 2x upsampling for 44.1 Redbook data (less so for higher resolution files).

CONCLUSION

Those who are trying MQA and various filters with typical Delta Sigma DAC’s are using band aids. A growing number of critical listeners have discovered that ladder R2R sounds better than typical DS DACs or, alternatively, that high precision conversion to DSD256 on a computer fed to a true one-bit discrete Delta Sigma converter (no chip) sounds equally great too. 
 

Basically any conversion that eliminates oversampling/upsampling done on a chip is going to have less digital glare and better soundstage because of this absolutely fundamental design flaw in ALL Delta Sigma DAC chips.


 

shadorne

Normally there is a 4-1 ratio or more between parts,R&D and overhead ,dealer markup , at this price point there is limitations in parts quality ,fancy cases when you start getting near $6k or up then much more monies can be dedicated to bigger better power supplies parts quality ,much better clocks implementation of the dac chips ,casework and many other technical features. Itis a clear step up in resolution ,sound staging  and realism.

I went from a $300 Geshelli Labs J2 to a $1300 Denafrips Ares 15th. The sound was completely different. 

I went from a $15k DAC to the $2800 Schitt Yggdrasil+ OG. Sold the $15k DAC immediately and got great speakers with that money.

The concept of glare is trickly to address. Sometimes you get a veiled sound that does not have glare and is considered musical. However, that does not work for me since I find that sound too rolled off.

Staying with the Schitt DACs the Yggi+ LIM is veiled and considered musical. In a non-bright setup, it had to go. I converted that to the Yggi+ MIB which is not as veiled and has no glare either, yet it was not at the pantheon of the clean sounding OG.

These Yggi+’s are all $2-3k DACs and I am comparing them to $15-$20k DACs. The warm musical DACs come across to me as rolled off.

The Mola Mola Tambaqui is similar to the OG I have.

BTW - a new Schitt DAC called the Byggi+ is coming out in Aug. I have already put my money down to convert the MIB to the Byggi. The DAC designer at Schitt, Mike Moffet, seems to have some DAC genius in him.

 

 

I tried using an inexpensive DAC through my BlueSound Node 2I and it sounded better played just through the BlueSound.

I agree—Bluesound’s offerings didn’t truly impress many reviewer until the $650 Node X. Nevertheless, it was soon outperformed by its more affordable sibling, the Node Nano ($299–$380), offering smoother sound and robust streaming features in a compact design. Eventually, the $1,200 Node Icon surpassed both. 

As for how it compares with its competitors, I’ll leave that for you to determine through your own due diligence.