Why high-end cable manufacturers don't post measurements?

Then why are you here, to thumb your nose at people for ignoring those words of wisdom? You must have something much more important to do than saving our poor souls from audio purgatory. 

Audio, exactly correct. To me, this is simple logic, and so many people let their emotions or preconceptions color their ideas. They become entrenched in a position. Some will say I’m not open because I don’t agree with their more limited views on a subject, and that I don’t agree that their position must be inscribed in stone.

Dougey, and yet, as the article states, you could give the best camera to some, and the pics they take won’t be any better. Miller, I think you missed the last category, of zero. The ever present internet expert. Hehe. 

Teo, don’t worry about them. The haters only exist to hate. They’re not interested in objective thinking. Objective to them means whatever fits their narrow field of vision. Their ideas calls into question even their credibility to themselves, forget to anyone else. They cannot trust what their ears hear because it would violate the oath of their office of improperly used and applied measurements. I actually posted a video by OCD guy that showed measurements which disputed the many claims on the Audioholics I tube video about power cords and asking where’s the measurements. It was funny as there was not one single comment made by them. Not even the usual post saying it doesn’t show what they say, it shows x instead. They couldn’t because it was exactly the same measurements they have been trying to use to prove there are no differences in cables. Who knows, maybe that’s the reason for all their recent anger, their bubble has been burst. They’re the same guys who wouldn’t believe the earth was round even after it was proven that it was. And the moon landings were nothing more than a studio creation by the government. Lol

Lol tk, small changes in speaker position when changing cables? My speakers don’t move at all as they’re not positioned on Teflon. Fiddling with connections? If you haven’t tightened the nut, shame on you. My speaker cables are all standard 8 ft, and yes, there are some differences in gauges in some cases. 

The don’t show measurements in many cases Because they haven’t devised measurements that can show the differences that we can hear. Most manufacturers state that they won’t post details of their cables because they don’t want their competitors to know. Same reason KFC do’s this post their 11 secret spices. 

lost, I’ve done blind tests and just normal listening. I’d don’t believe in spending because something is expensive, in fact I’d much prefer to find something that performs as well as much more expensive products, similar to the way tekton speakers do that for me. I don’t think you have to do blind tests as long as you’re honest witho
 yourself about what you’re hearing. Don’t believe claims, and I’m not sure most of us do, most listen. I do think there’s far too much assumption that people buy based on a name or price, or that they defend something that dosnt really hold up because of the money they spent. I do believe the ones who claim that do so because they wish to justify not spending themselves in some cases. I have found most consumers are quite vocal when something doesn’t  do what they expected, they don’t defend the product. I see the opposite, they tend to be very negative and vocal about it, write bad reviews etc. someone who is happy is much less likely to, because it did what they expected all along. So there are some incorrect assumptions being made, in part for some for the reasons I’ve mentioned. There are many studies avaible about consumer behavior. I own a retail store myself, dealing in a range of price points in my industry, but heavily skewed towards upper mid to high end as it evolved over the years starting at entry to mid level. I find even those buying entry level seem to expect a lot ( many times more than that level would ever be able to provide) and are just as vocal as those who buy at the high end. People tend to make up their own logic when people are positive about something that they don’t see the same way on this forum, that does not translate to real world experience outside the hobby. I agree with your post as far as how you view these things for the most part. Yes most cables companies profit levels are obscenely high in my opinion,  it whatever the market will bear I guess is the rule. They don’t post measurements or details of construction for two reasons, first, and many state this, they don’t want their competitors to imitate them. Next, as I’ve said many times, there are no measurements even for things we can all agree on. Stage depth and width. We seem to all agree that exists. Show me the measurement for that. Detail, resolution, dryness, speed, sweetness, etc etc. so where is the huge outcry to show to us these measurements. Why aren’t the same people who deny there are differences in cables because they cannot be measured, also not denying the above mentioned characteristics, and their very existence as being in our minds, and not real. It’s simple. Personal bias. We all have them, in one way or another. Some are more open to things then other, and some minds are completely closed to  anything outside their own views. 

And here is the problem. Why is it that you cannot have a civil convo, instead of attacking and degrading someone who seems to have different ideas than you. That’s what seems to be the shame. B4, I did not not hear any mention of testing involving listening, or tuning based on the listening results. Are you trying to say that cable manufacturers do not do this, or maybe your field of expertise is not in the audio cable business so you are not familiar with is part of the process. The engineering done at a cable manufacturer isn’t done to just meet some numbers they’re trying to reach and your post seems to indicate, but instead it designed to meet some goals they set at the start of the design process in terms of what they are trying to improve upon, meaning the sound. That’s the end goal, or at least I would hope should be with a cable. The engineering is done to meet those goals. They may set a measurement they are trying to hit to achieve that goal, but once they do, it will still go to the listening phase to see if they did achieve the desired results. As anyone who has dealt with a very high performance race engine knows ( a hobby for me), the measurements can help greatly, but sometimes it’s our understanding of what they mean that is at issue. Sometimes you will find that the numbers don’t get the expected results, and when in the end something different works, we have to then come up with the logic that explains why. There is an explanation, and usually it’s because there are so many variables that we find a new variable affected things in a way we did not realize it would. If you refuse to even consider variables past a preset list, you may forever be stuck at the same point. Not exactly on the same point now, but still relevant to many who post about such things. 

Ieales, Kenny seems to understand something you do not. From your words it seems there’s a bit of envy over people being able to spend. I’m sure as many do, there will be denial, but your own words seem to tell a part of the story. Might not be the whole story of course. So again, you’re here to thumb your nose, there is no reason for this forum, or any of its kind, based on your assessment. So we should turn this into a discussion of checkers strategy maybe? Many of us here are intrested in dialog about products, each other’s opinions and suggestions. For the most part I’ll have to disagree with your views. Equipment can be adjusted in setup for a room, and the underlying sound of the product will still be there. Room treatments will make a difference in what and how well we hear it, along with some common sense as far as size and power, scales properly to room size, though there are ways to adjust for this somewhat, and also as always, boils down to personal preference. There is no way to listen to every possible combination of products in our own environments, so it takes some reading, determining what characteristics are most important to us, and some trial and error. The more “ opinions” we get, and ones that seem to confirm each other, the more reliable we can expect the results in our homes to be. I’ve also found that sometimes what I thought I wanted in a sound, was not what I really wanted. Also I know I like many different sounds, so no one sound will ever satisfy me completely. I’m sorry,  it I, and likely the majority of us, would have no interest in your idea that all opinions are worthless, and therefore by extending that type of logic, this forum should be disbanded. You’re always free to do as you personally wish of course, but I wouldn’t expect others to follow in your footsteps. Even the ones who disagree with me about cables and Tekton I don’t think would go so far as to say there is no room for opinions because they’re worthless. If you truly felt that way, I don’t believe you’d be on this forum at all. It’s a waste of time based on that idea.

I’m sure that would work out very well for him.

You assume anyone who praises a product is a fan boy, and I have found that if people Did not hear what they expected with a product they are ver vocal about it in a negative way. They will try to return it, or sell it to try something else. I’m sure there’s a small number of fanboys just as there are those who do what you do, and deny all positive reviews. I don’t believe anyone has said that every product works well in every system, in fact, just the opposite. Plus we all like different sounds, more bright, less bright, warm, detailed, etc. thats why there will always be the part where we have to listen, all the measurements won’t give us the final answer. I’m happy for the success you have achieved in your field, but dosnt mean you’re any more correct than anyone else might be. There are engineers on here that will try to proclaim they’re the ones with the knowledge also. I don’t care for some Grammy winners at all, so dosnt mean their style works for me because of their award. In every field there are constants and ideas to build upon. If there weren’t I don’t think we would have evolved very far in any field that worked how you describe. I know for a fact that I can speak to engineers in your field and would find a consensus on certain things and how to approach them without having to start from scratch in every studio, with each genre. So no, we won’t be throwing out reviews, past discoveries and findings, because they are relevant. But as previously mentioned, if it works for you, then by all means. It’s your time, your enjoyment, and your hobby, assuming you are involved in this end of things. 

I still never got a response ieales, why are you here? Since every opinion is uselss, there is no sense discussing anything. Are you really that bored that you come to have senseless meaningless convos? 

People get criticized for recommending what they own( why wouldn’t they if they went through a process to determine what’s best for the goals they set?) and for recommending product they don’t own. Also if it’s something they’ve never listened to, but based on lots of info from others posting. We are having discussions, conversations. Most understand that everyone has different likes, so they mention what they think someone might like based on what they said they’re looking for ( or sometimes recommend something completely different just because they like it, whether or not it fits with what was asked for) sometimes having a discussion enlightens us to things we had not considered before, it has sure happened to me. You did say something earlier that intimated no opinions were of value, or at the least most, or so it seemed. Sometimes the way we word things appear different to readers than how we perceived it when we posted it. I’m happy to listen to opinions that are given in good faith ( not ones telling me I’m hallucinating when I hear something) I believe I can get a feel for the basic idea of what to expect from others descriptions, though I did recently buy a guitar amp based on what I heard online and what was posted individuals and professionals. I’d say it’s the first time what I expected and what I heard in person was different. Barely spent any time playing with the settings yet, so jury is still out.