Why high-end cable manufacturers don't post measurements?

0, or even 00 and we are done.

I have a very good friend who actually sells real power distribution systems around the world (think electrical infrastructure for cities of 11 million and then some). If you guys continue with this wire expertise, I will have to call him in for help.

b4icu,

The above was not djones51, but me.

Of course, there are very small resistors, even tiny fuse filaments, somewhere along the way. I will let the world continue losing while you continue winning.

By the way, your statement to djones51...

"Is that comes with an IQ of a single digit?"

is worthy of an IQ of your preferred speaker wire gauge.

How about learning some manners in communication and developing a little sense of humor while you are making a joke of yourself?

"My wire distance is 4000 feet. What guage do you reccomend, 777MCM ?"

Any longer and you will need a shortwave.

"You think convient over right. this is the way most losers think."

Tell that to losers at Bose or Bluetooth SIG.

Also, convenient is not necessarily wrong.

b4icu,

"Who look at those? they lay behind and accumulate dust. Who care what they look like."

I do not know about you, but I do clean the dust regularly. We may be more different than that. I care how things look like even when I am not constantly looking at them. Have you ever bought a car? Has its outside appearance ever influenced your purchase decision? You know, the parts you virtually never see when using it?

"What if he buys a nice picture of some terrific looking cable?"

I prefer the real deal. Who needs pictures when she/he can have a real cable?

The original thread was much more entertaining. This is only from the first page...

"0 AWG? Call in the crane." (with a link to a 1000 ft of some thick wire shipping only to a commercial address)

"We want to listen to speakers, not jump start them."

"It might be a good idea to push the bong aside for a few days so you can get back in touch with reality."

"This is the oddest thread."

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/no-one-actually-knows-how-to-lculate-what-speaker-cable-they-need

Here is the final recommended product. Try to get that one past the interior decorator...

https://imgur.com/a/vIL3qs0

glupson 08-05-2020 8:48pm

It is only partially true. Most of the manufacturers I have seen do post measurements. Of the length. Some, rare ones I think, do even post gauge. That would be about it, but is hard to catch them saying "never post measurements".

millercarbon 08-09-2020 3:20am

This whole thread is fake and based on a total misrepresentation and false premise. Every speaker cable manufacturer publishes their cable measurements. Otherwise, how would you know if you were buying 8 feet or only 6?

I am honored. I just wrote it with a little less strong words.

b4icu,

"I’d returned and will as many times as I like. Any problems with that?"

Not at all,

"If Amp’s DF is high, at 9’ length, a #0 or #00 is required.
So suggest the calculation, so it improves the sound."

Notice that my observation seems to have been correct. 0, or even 00. I wonder, how come you never noticed it, and still keep nugging.

I have never tried 0, or 00, cables. As you noticed, they are quite inconvenient to work with. Not to mention that I am suspicious about the idea of finishing a thick cable with a thin cable and then pretending it is all thick cable. I may be wrong about that, but I am not wrong about the weight of the cable, connections, and other practical issues, potentially introducing more problems than solving them.

As a side note, my speaker cables are gauge 9 or 10 (I forgot), were in $100-200 range for 2m, and are made by an "audio company". They look very professionally put together. Much more professionally than 0 with a thin strip at the end. Notice that they are not 12 or 14.

EDIT: They are 11, not 9 or 10.

b4icu,

"It’s obvious that you have nothing smart to say, so you use derogatory language."

Thanks for this derogatory comment before you even attempted to say anything smart.

My comment about 0, or even 00, was based on following your other thread. If you found that observation derogatory, maybe it is time that you change your calculations.

Why don’t you just repeat that whole thread? Ask people again about their amplifiers and calculate what gauge cable they would need. Then go and hide for a year again.

"Belden make so many cables, of different AWG.
Which one is the one for me, for you or for some other?"

0, or even 00.

"I can not imagine an airborne unit to be made and tested as a speaker cable."

Was this really sypposed to be comparable in any way?

b4icu,

I am quite familiar with Moshe Dayan from some stories, but have never known about his appreciation of art.

I did follow your previous thread and it eventually came down to gauge 0, ok even 00, with all the inconveniences of connectiong it to an amplifier. Which then gets done with much thinner wire. Nobody was recommended gauge 12, I think.

Poetry in cable threads. New trend in audio.

"For the other guy, who claim that a cable length is a measurement, or it’s gauge."

Huh, I do not like the idea of being "the other guy", but here I am. However you take it, length is a measurement and gauge should be, too. How pertinent are they is up to the individual user, but measurements they are. I would not mind knowing how long the car would be, if bought.

If I remember your identical although way more visited thread from some time ago, you consider gauge as the most important cable measurement. After using the formula based on DF, it all comes down that we need cables with gauge 0.

"So are some of the prices—with exotic speaker cables ranging up to $100/m, or even more!"

What a difference 25 years make.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/what-difference-wire-makes

It is only partially true. Most of the manufacturers I have seen do post measurements. Of the length. Some, rare ones I think, do even post gauge. That would be about it, but is hard to catch them saying "never post measurements".