Why Do So Many Audiophiles Reject Blind Testing Of Audio Components?


Because it was scientifically proven to be useless more than 60 years ago.

A speech scientist by the name of Irwin Pollack have conducted an experiment in the early 1950s. In a blind ABX listening test, he asked people to distinguish minimal pairs of consonants (like “r” and “l”, or “t” and “p”).

He found out that listeners had no problem telling these consonants apart when they were played back immediately one after the other. But as he increased the pause between the playbacks, the listener’s ability to distinguish between them diminished. Once the time separating the sounds exceeded 10-15 milliseconds (approximately 1/100th of a second), people had a really hard time telling obviously different sounds apart. Their answers became statistically no better than a random guess.

If you are interested in the science of these things, here’s a nice summary:

Categorical and noncategorical modes of speech perception along the voicing continuum

Since then, the experiment was repeated many times (last major update in 2000, Reliability of a dichotic consonant-vowel pairs task using an ABX procedure.)

So reliably recognizing the difference between similar sounds in an ABX environment is impossible. 15ms playback gap, and the listener’s guess becomes no better than random. This happens because humans don't have any meaningful waveform memory. We cannot exactly recall the sound itself, and rely on various mental models for comparison. It takes time and effort to develop these models, thus making us really bad at playing "spot the sonic difference right now and here" game.

Also, please note that the experimenters were using the sounds of speech. Human ears have significantly better resolution and discrimination in the speech spectrum. If a comparison method is not working well with speech, it would not work at all with music.

So the “double blind testing” crowd is worshiping an ABX protocol that was scientifically proven more than 60 years ago to be completely unsuitable for telling similar sounds apart. And they insist all the other methods are “unscientific.”

The irony seems to be lost on them.

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Showing 12 responses by nonoise

As jakleiss (who does real testing) has already pointed out:
Excuse me, I meant to write above "..blind testing is NOT a test methodology..."

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Nonoise
I think it was more a move out of humiliation, hubris or just being a sore loser. Maybe a combination of them?

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Nonoise
Just read the posts further up and you’ll see the OP stating that he did not have them removed. That only leaves one, other person.

It also follows a pattern of what some say he's done under other, previous incarnations.

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Nonoise
And those posts were removed by the author himself. He was NOT censored., 

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Nonoise
Uh, folks breaking news: double blind IS a form of listening and learning. So it sounds like everyone agrees that is a good thing, but of course there is a place and time for everything. 

Right?
Maybe for some, who are filled with self doubt. For me, it's just one of many disciplines that I choose not to partake as I find it unnecessary and  a bit of a fool's errand.

By the time I got a piece of equipment, it's already been analyzed to death. Anything I do to it afterwards, is just tuning it to my satisfaction.

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Nonoise

Exactly. And given that this is a hobbyist’s group and not a scientific forum, the nonsense and insults from the fundamentalist naysaying measurementalists here is really getting old and becoming an obstacle to conversation.
Which is their wont. They are, after all, zealots.

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Nonoise



@jakleiss,
Thanks for pulling the curtain back even further.

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Nonoise


@nonoise, I am not sure what "aha" you think @jakleiss has introduced to this topic? Nothing in what he wrote suggest that blind testing is a bad idea.
Is that some more of your remote viewing capabilities? 

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Nonoise