why do people feel the need to buy expensive cable


I have tried expensive cables and one's moderately priced. I would say there were some differences but I can't actually say the expensive cables were better. IMHO I believe a lot of people buy expensive cables because they don't actual trust their ears and are afraid of making a mistake. They figure the expensive cables are better for the fact they cost more. If you have a difference of opinion or share the same thoughts, I would like to hear about it.
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historically all wires tended to be mostly profit to help compensate for the fact that there was little profit in selling electronics
A long time equipment designer told me this, right before they said, "if I knew what I know now, I would have gotten into the cable market early on."

I have had multiple cables costing in the range of $1-3K per pair in my system. Now, all my cables are DIY, except my Totaldac USB cable, and my system has never sounded better.

I have taken apart cables in the $500-$1.5K range and, in one case, an expensive power cord consisted of THHN electrical wire from any hardware store encased in PVC tubing, also from any hardware store. This PC sold in the range of about $500 - $1K, depending on length. I kid you not, the materials cost was probably $25. This is one reason I am very skeptical of any cable manufacturer (or audio gear manufacturer) that never gives buyers a glimpse into how the cable (or gear) is made. I wouldn't buy a car without doing my research to know what the major components consisted of, and how it was made, so why in the world would I buy a cable costing as much as a car without knowing if it was constructed out of $25 of hardware wire? The hype and liberal use of "science" in cable advertising can be laughable, for those with a scientific background. It preys on buyer's fear that their system will not be optimally impedance-matched, will have audible skin effect, will pick up RFI/EMI noise, etc., etc. It is similar to other products where manufacturers come out with some new "scientific breakthrough" every year simply to generate a buying frenzy of people who feel like they are missing out if they don't have the "latest technology."

Some cables I have taken apart have quite good materials and construction quality, and obviously required a specialized machine to manufacture. Buying (or renting time with) these machines, and setting them up, is not inexpensive so only the larger companies who are confident they will sell lots of cable are able to do so. Some of those companies probably also spend quite a bit to research different cable designs. So, it is understandable that the markup reflects research and manufacturing. Larger companies, who believe they need to carry a full complement of cable types and price ranges to cover a large buyer range, probably also have a strategy so that the better sellers "carry" the unprofitable cables in their lines. In the end, the price is set at what the market will bear and only a buyer can judge the value. I am sure that while some companies have made large profits, others have lost money on cables and, in some cases, their losses were more related to poor marketing, misplacing themselves in the market, poor pricing strategies (too much or too little), and other reasons, than to how the cables sounded.

In response to the OP, sure, there are differences in how cables sound, and certainly differences in how certain cables sound with certain gear. Just because a cable sounds good in one system doesn't mean it will provide an optimal sound in another. I spend the bulk of my audio budget on the gear/speakers but others place a higher importance on cables. Not all of those people have been doing this for a long time, or have the ability and experience to construct their own cables. Maybe they will in the future, maybe they find certain manufactured cables to sound best in their systems, maybe they have better sounding systems, or maybe they simply have a better way to spend their time. Good for them. IMO, if someone has the scratch, why not buy whatever cable sounds best to them. There is no right or wrong, so there doesn't need to be a consensus.
There is much enthusiasm over this topic and I find interesting the apparent need to pick "sides" and for one side to be right and the other wrong. My beliefs are based on my system and experience, and I don't want to prescribe what works for others. I do believe that with "luxury" items, such as boats, exotic or classic cars, swimming pools, high end homes, etc. the higher the price range, the more money there is to be made and the higher the mark-up on stuff.

Perhaps manufacturers of high-end/expensive products need a higher mark-up per item because they don't have the "mass market" buying their goods in large volumes. They also have a reputation for luxury, quality and exclusiveness to uphold since it is part of the overall marketing strategy and what makes those products desirable...not everyone can own it. We have all heard about products that "didn't make it" because they were underpriced for the targeted market. There are examples of high prices with any luxury item so if someone who can afford it, wants to spend boat-loads of money on cables, for whatever reason, I would rather hear about how those cables improved their system than to read a bunch of arguing about the percent markup and whether it was stupid or smart to purchase the cables in the first place.

Another observation, it would be nice for people posting in a thread like this to take the time to post a virtual system, so readers can understand the context of their opinions relative to the gear they listen to.
We are willing to pay so much more for small improvements. If it brings you joy. Why not?
Until the next fix? I guess "joy" is relative and personal, but is it really the reason, or result? Looking back, does your current system bring you any more joy than the high school or college system you used while listening to The Who, Allman Bros., Santana, or whoever, in their prime?

My question would be, are they creating innovation for the sake of offering something new each buying cycle, or to really move the ball forward?  I guess when you employ a R&D team, you need to keep them gainfully employed, whether they launch a rocket every year, or not.

I remember downhill ski manufacturers coming out with "new and improved" skis/bindings/boots every year (sometimes just a different color scheme), and every year, the guys who could ski really well, could still ski really well, no matter what they were skiing on, and the others, well, you get my point.  When they came out with parabolic skis...that was a true rocket launch.

I understand about incrementally moving things forward and such but the consumer pays the freight for all that R&D, and trial and error and, I think with cables, the issue is whether the actual sonic improvement is worth the extraordinary cost of some of the cables being sold.  However, for those who have and want to spend the big bucks, carry on.

The negotiations bogged down
Explain please.  What negotiations?  It seems there was an offer by A. Randi so the next step is for Fremer to accept or decline.  Did Fremer ask for best 2 out of 3?  Did A. Randi withdraw the offer?  What are you talking about?  Inquiring minds and all of that....
Nice post Zephyr24069
There has been a lot of broad-brush painting here lately.
I agree that folks should buy what they want and what makes them happy with their systems.  While I enjoy the discourse about the science behind different designs and materials, and while I do hear differences in components (always), cables (usually), and tweaks (sometimes), I also understand that "value" is a concept that is unique to an individual's own perception so the problem begins when people want to prescribe a universal "value" that should be adopted by all.  The issue has been fueled by people so vehemently promoting and defending their points of view and by their labeling and name-calling (while sometimes humorous), which has reached a level of divisiveness I do not remember on this forum.  Many posts seem to promote the idea that folks must prescribe to one of only two camps (i.e., believers or naysayers), with no middle ground.  The presentation of opinions as "absolutes," the sensational and dramatized accounts of system changes (totally transformed) resulting from a cable change or turning around a fuse, the unbending use of science to say that something "can't possibly make a difference," and the amount of money charged for seemingly typical stuff (like a fuse), have the two sides lined up like a game of dodgeball. 
Of course, the difference is you can have mathematical proof and you can prove physical theories. But you cannot have religious proof.
Noah might beg to differ.  I'll bet he didn't worry too much about cables, as long as his speakers were waterproof.  Happy New Year
Elizabeth, sorry to disappoint but convincing anyone of anything is not the point of this thread.
We are all trying to help Geoff reach 10,000 posts so he can take a break.
I secretly suspect taters is a secret agent (or at least a lobbyist) for the aftermarket fuse manufacturers with a mission to get audiophiles to stop spending their money on expensive cables so they have more to spend on fancy fuses.  Fuse threads can be found behind doors No$. 149, 175, and 225 across the hall from the True Believers Kool-Aid stand.
"I’m quite confident all XLR cables from Audioquest are, in fact, controlled for directionality. Don’t freak out."
Thanks Geoff for the reassurance. It is comforting to know you are "quite confident" that the Big Daddy of cable manufacturing has all of us unwitting buyers "covered" with respect to orienting their wires in the proper direction.  I can't count the times I have come close to freaking out over the thought that even one of the bundled solid core wires in my Audioquest cables may have been inadvertently oriented in the wrong direction by some stoner making cables on a Friday afternoon after a night at bowling league.
@d2girls 
And theres the other half of me that says to just stick with what I've got...
Look at it this way, if you don't "save" $2,500 by spending $2,500 on $5,000 speaker cables, what would you spend the $2,500 on?  My guess, probably something cooler than wire.
Shoulda bought a full loom of Teo’s cables on Tuesday with the money I was gonna lose in Wednesday’s stock market slide 🏦 💸 💥 🤬
Best to wear a hat.  Make it a red one.  There is a lot of s*** flying around these days.