WHY CABLES MATTER!


I have seen the argument over and over again on why cables matter and the that wire is just wire and how scientifically it’s impossible for them to make a difference. The thing that surprises me the most is that different materials are used. Different shielding is used. Different connectors are used. Different braiding methods of the cables are used. Materials are sourced from different manufacturers and put through different creative processes but I always get some guy who comes on and says. WIRE IS WIRE AND YOU ARE NOT HEARING WHAT YOU ARE HEARING? To me it’s pure arrogance to think you know more than everybody else to the point where you tell me what we are hearing through my ears and we are not smart enough to know when are minds are playing trick on us. But using all these different materials, process and shielding and creative processes don’t make a difference. I spent the last 15 years trying all the cables I could try.  Thoughts anyone?

calvinj

Showing 8 responses by ernstmach

Hello, new poster here. Been reading here for some time.

I'm posting to ask a question or two on the subject of cables.

I can say that I have yet to experience the change in cables and burn in.

Also not stating that it does not happen. What I am wondering is what happens  within the cable itself that is changed that contributes to the betterment in sound?

I have googled this and have read much of what's out there. I have consulted a couple of professors at the local University about the questions I'm asking.

I am asking this here because there is a large number of people that have actual 

experience with this subject.

Thanks for your thoughts.

 

"$3000 speaker cables do not make sense for a $3000 pair of speakers and a $3000 amp.  Someone may hear a difference but those speakers/amp will never realize the full potential of those cables."

Why is that?

 

 

 

So is  "Cables commensurate to the equipment in use. " your answer?

Basically it seems you don't know the specifics or you read that somewhere.

Doesn't answer my question.

 

tonywinga

I believe I understand your thinking that cables should match pedigree with source components, amps and speakers but have you witnessed that? First hand?

As for the Torino..... Solid lifters? Only time I witnessed pushrod failure was Incorrect lash or cam timing being wrong and valves hit pistons on TDC and bending the pushrods. Either case whom ever worked on the engine F-ed up..

I do appreciate your post. Thanks.

Another question if I may. Anyone know the purity of copper used in Nordost speaker cables. I didn't see any info on their website. 

Thanks!

@tonywinga

Very nice setup you have. Bet it sounds great.

Thanks for the responses.

 

 

facten

Thanks for the info. After reading about the cables that Nordost sells I found a section about how the cables are better after "burn in" because the cable outgasses, and they claim the insulation charges up. Most things out gas but I don’t understand how that would affect the quality of sound. The article goes on to say "The diode effect of the conductor will be more pronounced after a minimum of 150 hours.. They also claim that small impurities in the conductor act as diodes, allowing the signal to flow better in one direction making the cable directional." That in particular was my reason for asking about purity of the copper. At 4-9s purity it is difficult for me to see how those could contribute.

I presented this article to a colleague who has a PHD, is a Professor and researcher for the local University. After reading the article he just smiled and said it seems like some fluff to support their view. I cannot speak to that but I am skeptical of some of the claims.

Anyway, thanks for your information.

All the best.

 

Facten,

appreciate what you are saying. " I realize the science end has fewer proponents.

"Are you really in a position to say/conclude that what they stated doesn’t occur?"

Not saying it doesn't happen. I do know that my work with pulling deep vacuum says anything will out gas just cannot say it means anything hence the ongoing questionnaire. As far as contaminates in 4-9s pure wire I find it hard to believe that contaminant size has enough mass to be of consequence.

I'm far more inclined to believe the words of someone that has the credentials earned towards this subject. 

Has anyone considered that the wire might sound even more different due to cold working ot the wire? 

Thanks for the responses!

@ tvrgeek

Thanks for your detailed response. I'm usually skeptical about such claims as I listed. 

I also realize I have much to learn. Working in a research environment has helped me to be skeptical but with a need/want to understand.

After reading through this thread, it is obvious that everyone has their insights and preference built on their experience and knowledge. That is what I was looking for.

Thanks to all that responded.