WHY CABLES MATTER!


I have seen the argument over and over again on why cables matter and the that wire is just wire and how scientifically it’s impossible for them to make a difference. The thing that surprises me the most is that different materials are used. Different shielding is used. Different connectors are used. Different braiding methods of the cables are used. Materials are sourced from different manufacturers and put through different creative processes but I always get some guy who comes on and says. WIRE IS WIRE AND YOU ARE NOT HEARING WHAT YOU ARE HEARING? To me it’s pure arrogance to think you know more than everybody else to the point where you tell me what we are hearing through my ears and we are not smart enough to know when are minds are playing trick on us. But using all these different materials, process and shielding and creative processes don’t make a difference. I spent the last 15 years trying all the cables I could try.  Thoughts anyone?

calvinj

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Your BRAIN has re-mapped to convince you it is better. Our brain lies. Always.

I am beginning to think there is indeed one remapped brain here. And it lies. Always.

... everyone is under the placebo effect. All the time, for all subjects ...

Nonsense.

If your claim were true, placebo pills would cure cancer. They don't.

tvrgeek

... Hearing is what your brain tells you and it lies like a dog ...

The notion that everyone is under the influence of expectation bias and placebo effect and that subjective listening reports are essentially the result of delusion, is simply absurd. It’s just like a certain politician who instructed his followers to ignore what they read and saw and instead listen only to him. Smart people don’t dismiss observations and empirical evidence just because someone else tells them to.

Get this: Placebo effect and wishful thinking won’t cure cancer. Typically, biases are revealed over time. For most of us, our brains work fairly well, especially when we use the tool of logic. Potential vulnerability to bias does not mean our brains "lie like a dog." That's the logical fallacy of the excluded middle, an error @tvrgeek makes frequently.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

There is no such requirement because nobody here owes you anything at all. You can continue to characterize empirical evidence as "extraordinary claims," but - as you may have noticed - it isn't going to get you anywhere.

... when a set of speaker cables cost $27,000 and the manufacturer misapplies physics in the marketing of the design, no credibility remains.

To which manufacturer do you refer? What model cables are you referencing, what misapplication of physics are you claiming? Without specifics, as you say, "no credibility."

I prefer to use science to get there, not advertising.  Others seem to be big fans of Kool-Aid and have the disposable income to indulge chasing their imagination. 

This is the logical fallacy of the excluded middle. It's interesting that the measurementalists who so noisily proclaim their faith in science are so often guilty of these basic logical errors.

asctim

We’d love to see just some decent explanation of what’s going on. I’d be happy with some simple measurements.

Who exactly is the "we" you apparently pretend to represent?

If some simple measurements would please you, feel free to make some of your own.

coralkong

Why is it that cable deniers always want some kind of measurement or "blind testing" result that PROVES what I hear vs what they hear? ... What’s the point?

They're not interested in conversation - they seek to disrupt it.

I have spent a large part of my life (sadly) participating in organized religion with people who have the same mentality as people who say cables matter. Lots of faith, no actual proof. Get back to us when there is some actual blind testing to validate your opinion.

It looks like you've found your own religion. I don't think many users here are interested in submitting blind test results to measurementalists, so you may be in the wrong place.

smurfstain

What does this mean? What “research”? I realize the best seems to be “cost prohibitive for most”, but hey, at least you can give people a place to start, correct? Isn’t that what good salesmen do? ... Again, what do you look for in the Infigo line that makes it such high quality? How will this brand help me synergize my cables? What makes it better than other brands?

This is known as "sealioning". Classic troll technique: