Who thinks $5K speaker cable really better than generic 14AWG cable?


I recently ordered high end speaker, power amp, and preamp to be installed in couple more weeks. So the next search are interconnect and speaker cable. After challenging the dealer and 3 of my so called audiophile friends, I think the only reason I would buy expensive cable is for its appearance to match with the high end gears but not for sound performance. I personally found out that $5K cable vs $10 cable are no difference, at least not to our ears. Prior to this, I was totally believe that cable makes a difference but not after this and reading few articles online.

Here is how I found out.

After the purchase of my system, I went to another dealer to ask for cable opinion (because the original dealer doesn't carry the brand I want) and once I told him my gears, he suggested me the high end expensive cable ranging from $5 - 10K pair, depending on length. He also suggested the minimum length must be 8-12ft. If longer than 12ft, I should upgrade to even more expensive series. So I challenged him that if he can show me the difference, I would purchase all 7 AQ Redwood cables from him.

It's a blind test and I would connect 3 different cables - 1 is the Audioquest Redwood, 1 is Cardas Audio Clear, and 1 my own generic 14AWG about 7ft. Same gears, same source, same song..... he started saying the first cable sound much better, wide, deep, bla...bla...bla......and second is decently good...bla...bla...bla.. and the last one sounded crappy and bla...bla...bla... BUT THE REALITY, I NEVER CHANGED THE CABLE, its the same 14AWG cable. I didn't disclosed and move on to second test. I told him I connected audioquest redwood but actually 14AWG and he started to praise the sound quality and next one I am connected the 14awg but actually is Redwood and he started to give negative comment. WOW!!!! Just blew me right off.

I did the same test with 3 of my audiophile friends and they all have difference inputs but no one really got it right. Especially the part where I use same generic 14awg cable and they all start to give different feedback!!!

SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? OR I AM THE LAST PERSON TO FIND OUT THAT EXPENSIVE CABLE JUST A RIP OFF?
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Showing 11 responses by jmcgrogan2

So it's been 6 weeks, have we reached a consensus yet???!!!

HURRY!!! I need to buy $5K speaker cables this weekend, and I can't proceed without the consensus opinion of the gurus on this audio forum!!!! ;^)
I'll say again, those who have purchased this overpriced wire are more than welcome to do so.  Just don't confuse and misdirect newbies into thinking that this stuff actually does anything over basic wire.  Then...you become part of the scam.

That must give you the warm and fuzzies when you go to sleep at night.
Just another member of the "Save The Newbies" brigade. LOL!



The reason that you can't buy $15,000 tires for a BMW is because apparently no one wants them. That's how markets work.

@cleeds , Bingo! These ridiculous analogies show someone grasping at straws.
People who buy this "bling" would also put a set of $15K tires on their car if they were actually produced. 

Exactly why it is such a poor analogy, $15K tires for cars are not produced.

As cleeds noted, apparently no one wants $15,000 tires. The is how markets work. Items that have no value are not produced. Welcome to Business 101.

When using analogies, it is best to stick to items that are actually produced, when trying to compare to other items that are being produced (and sold).

Making an analogy comparing a real animal, say a horse, with a mythical animal, such as a unicorn, is simply an exercise in futility.

Speaking of animals, and products that actually DO exist. Perhaps you may want to compare cables to expensive pet gear.

http://incrediblethings.com/lists/14-ridiculously-expensive-pet-products/

Your $137K Nordost cables example seems rather frugal compared to a $1.8 million dollar dog collar.

Life.......It's all a matter of perspective.
@dlcockrum , you missed one more:

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It only wastes your time, and annoys the pig. - Robert Heinlein   ;^)
We are all simply dogs chasing our own tails here on this thread.

Nothing ever changes, believers will believe,non-believers will continue to non-believe.

Wire threads today are no different than 18 years ago.
Skeptics and believers, no one ever changes anyone's mind.....we just keep chasing out tails. Meh....
Parrot, not all are tone controls. That’s the reason I am using only the Audioquest cables. They have been the only ones I’ve had in my room that are just neutral.

Sorry, but I agree that all cables are tone controls. You like Audioquest because it sounds neutral to your ears, in your room, with your gear.
Some folks will prefer bright leaning cables on warmer gear, and conversely, warmer sounding cables with brighter gear.
Many different paths to "neutrality".

Probably a combination of all.

BINGO!!!!
Remember, you are not listening to the cable, as the cable emits no sound. You are listening to the system as a whole. You can tune the sound of the system by changing cables, speakers, amplifier, cartridge, CDP, etc.
In essence, everything is a tone control.
I have heard various Nordost cables in various systems whether at shows or at dealers, and of all the cables out there - they really do have a cool slightly bodiless tonality that has a treble lift. Nordost do a great marketing job in persuading us that they are the benchmark in terms of neutrality - but I am not so convinced.

@parrotbee , I agree with your assessment. Many folks misinterpret emphasized high frequency tones for neutrality.

In my opinion, neutrality means neither the bass, midrange, nor treble regions are emphasized.
Of course Nordost could sound 'neutral' with gear that has rolled off high frequencies.
In my experience cables can only ruin the sound.

How have you determined this?
Have you run your system without cables?
^^^ +1 hifiman5!

I was smitten with Nordost twice, and went down that path twice.

What I learned was that Nordost makes great cables to demo your gear with, and they do sound impressive. However, I always found my listening sessions growing shorter and shorter due to listening fatigue.
Too much information can burn out the brain.
Now I avoid Nordost, and can listen for long periods of time again.

If I had to choose one cable line to demo a system, it would be Nordost, but I found out that I could not live with them for long periods of time. YMMV.