Who thinks $5K speaker cable really better than generic 14AWG cable?
dynaquest4 Sorta like putting $15,000 tires on a $40,000 BMW.Not exactly, right? After all, there are no such things as $15,000 tires for a BMW, correct? |
dynaquest4 Just like there shouldn't be any such thing as $5,000 speaker cables.Why? It's clearly what some people want. Why shouldn't they be able to buy them? To go back to your analogy: Sorta like putting $15,000 tires on a $40,000 BMWThe reason that you can't buy $15,000 tires for a BMW is because apparently no one wants them. That's how markets work. |
dynaquest4 ... one poster continues to push the theory that the more affluent you are the less spending matters. That is BS. Whether cables actually work or not or whether they are a good value are not has nothing to do with your bank account. It they do nothing, they are a poor value. Affluence does not excuse poor judgement ...You're engaging in circular reasoning here. The value of something is often a subjective determination so, yes, relative affluence could be an influencing factor. |
dynaquest4 For cleeds: Value is a mathematical formula; to wit: Value = Quality / Price. The only thing somewhat subjective is quality...but that still has nothing to do with your bank roll. People with more money are just less impacted by purchasing a poor valueYou could not be more mistaken, and this thread proves it. Value is most definitely a subjective evaluation. To return to your car analogy, some people buy a Honda, some a Toyota; some buy a BMW, some buy an Audi. Clearly, those buyers are using different criteria to establish value, as I would expect. After all, value is very much subjective. To return to audio: Audiophiles comprise a tiny percentage of the consumer electronics market. Why is that? It's because most consumers don't see the value in owning high-end audio equipment. That in no way diminishes the value of high-end audio to those who cherish it any more that it suggests that those not interested in high-end audio are mistaken. You apparently don't see the value in a $5,000 audio cable, and that's fine. You're not mistaken any more than those who disagree with you are mistaken. Your refusal to understand that suggests that others here might have been correct when they identified you as a troll. |
dill " Sadly this is what HI FI has devolved into over the past 40 years!"Measurementalists don't need to listen. Their faith in what they believe is science makes it usually unnecessary. When they do listen, they often genuinely hear no difference at all - very likely the result of the same "confirmation bias" they so quickly accuse others of suffering. |
uberwaltz The post in question was not subject matter for removal imho as it really nailed it without resorting to any personal level insults or attacksWe are OT, but clearly the moderators disagree with you. However the way post removal works is not the best. If a post is reported by anybody it is subject to review by a mod. Unfortunately sometimes rather than actually read it and decide if it warrants removal they just remove as it is quicker and easier. After all the mod job is thankless and unpaid, been there and done that so I do know.Sorry, but you're mistaken - Audiogon's moderators are paid professionals. I think they do an excellent job. |
roberjerman Thomas Edison would have had a good laugh at the remarks of the "golden ears" crowd ...Nonsense. Edison believed in hands-on experimentation - that was instrumental to his success. It's highly unlikely that he'd sit idly by, proselytizing theory from the comfort of an easy chair while others actually reported first-hand results. You might want to visit one of his museums sometime. It will give you some practical insight into the scientific process. Mind you, it can be a tortuous process. That's why so many of the measurementalists here avoid it like the plague. It's much easier to just preach. |
bdfar 5K cables, heck $500 cables are for people who just think they need to spend more and more and then some more on their audio system. It's almost sinful, but then again to each his own. To people who don't believe me I always have 2 words that shut them up. Blind. Test.Okay, please tell us about the blind tests you conducted. Who designed the test, who proctored the test, where was the test conducted and who participated in the test? If you're going to propose scientific testing, then it's only proper that you submit your test and its results for review by others. That's how science works. |
dynaquest40 ... most claims regarding wire-related audio improvements are nothing more than suppositions.Oh no, that's simply not true. Almost always, those making claims provide very specific information about the wire and even details on their systems. The nay-sayers who claim no audible differences, however, rarely provide details because they typically don't have first-hand experience. |
dynaquest4 Holy Moly...you guys ARE old! How is it possible your hearing is even remotely still good enough ...Let's please not make this about age because if you do, it's only fair to point out that the human brain doesn't finish developing until it's well into its 20s. Some of the renderings here suggest their authors are well south of that benchmark. So let's please talk about audio and music and not judge others based on age. |
