Which stereo amp to try under $30k


Having just made several upgrades to my system, it's now time for the amp. Given the number of amps in the 15-30k range, I'm guessing many of you have experiences with them. To get started, I'll tell you my (1) my guidance (2) my current list of options (3) My current setup. Looking forward to getting more options on my list, as I'd like to pull the trigger in about 2 months and need to start listening.

My Guidance
- Under $30k
- I need to be able to hear the amp before purchase, preferably at a local shop (SF Bay Area)
- New or used ok
- Large sound stage
- Bass
- More Bass... all the bass
- Very much prefer stereo to fit in my rack. I have small children and not enough room for monos.
- Prefer not tubes (already have a tube line stage - too hot for small children and don't fit in rack)
- I'm ok with a colored sound. Prefer musicality and realism over "accuracy" or "neutrality"
- Needs an absolute minimum of 150W based on how loud I listen
- 15/20A or something I can plug into a regular wall outlet

My Current List of options
- Luxman M900u (current top of list)
- Ayre VX-R Twenty
- Pass Labs XA160.8 (doesn't meet all of my guidance)
- Boulder 2160 (a little above budget)
- Audio Research 160S (doesn't meet all of my guidance)

My Current Setup
- AMG Viella Turbo Turntable w/ Koetsu Onyx Platinum Cartridge
- Boulder 508 Phono Stage
- Mytek Manhattan II DAC (next upgrade after the amp - maybe a dCS Bartok?)
- Audio Research Reference 6 line stage
- McIntosh MC452 power amplifier
- B&W 802D3 speakers
- AudioQuest and Nordost cabling or a Symposium Osiris rack

What I listen to: Anything from the 60s on vinyl, some things from the 70s on vinyl. A lot of large orchestral and jazz, also a fair amount of pop, from any decade, on vinyl and digital. Thanks for reading my long post! I'll keep this thread updated with amps I hear. Lots of great shops in the area. My two favorites are The Analog Room in Campbell and Music Lovers Audio in Oakland and SF.
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May I suggest the Wells Audio Innamorata II Level II

$15,000.00 USD?

You can audition the amp in either Cambell or San Jose, CA

There are a number of reviews of the Inamorata online.

I think you’ll find Jeff Wells is a gentleman and a pleasure to deal with, and the audition worth the short drive south from SF.  He'll tell you whether or not he thinks his best amp would be a good match for your speakers.

No affiliation except that I own a "basic" Inamorata and Maggies.

@mayoradamwest
Jeff's cell:
408.376.0861
wells audio dot com
He owned a brick and mortar high-end store for many years and is now building a line of wonderful electronics in cahoots with Scott Frankland and some other very talented folks.  Scott is considered by many to be a legend, starting in the old days of MFA- Moore-Frankland.  I bought my MFA tube gear in the mid 1980s and still have, and love it. 
Hope this helps, and I hope the info is within the bounds of Audiogon policies.  
@mustbethemusic
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OP, just call Jeff at the number I posted. He’s super-responsive.
Again, I have no affiliation except I have purchased, and love his Commander preamp and Inamorata amplifier. IMHO, the positive reviews do not overstate how good his stuff is.

You'll never come close to hearing the full potential of the 2160 unless you pair it with one of Boulder's best preamps, and then, because your system will be so ruthlessly revealing, you'll likely have significant synergistic issues, particularly with your cables.

Good luck.
@mayoradamwest "Cables are Transparent Reference, specifically chosen to match the Boulder setup. I could get the Boulder pre-amp, but it’s 55k...."

I’m a car guy and FWIW, I could get a 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S, but it’s 192,00k...."

The eternal question: "When is good enough good enough?"

Your money, your aspirations,  and your ears.

I’ll be interested in how your saga plays out. (no pun intended)

Good luck.


@joecasey
PS posed: The eternal question: "When is good enough good enough?"
Joe Casey says Never!!!
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Ah, Mr. Casey, "Never!!!" you say? - therein lies a path to eternal dissatisfaction. Or worse.
@mayoradamwest

I find this thread mildly fascinating.

To reiterate what others have asked: what is it you feel you’re missing and what is it that you’re hoping to find? Furthermore, why is $30K, for an amplifier, your "magic number?" Can you articulate how the level of your existing system relates to the level of musical enjoyment you derive when you sit down and simply listen to that system? Do you wonder how much more enjoyable it would, could, might be, how much better it would sound, if only you had the perfect amp?

I mean no disrespect, and I ask out of curiosity. And I do wish you luck on your journey.




Another possibility would be to keep your system as is and spend a few thousand dollars or maybe even more, on the finest recordings you can find, of your favorite artists. Sit back and enjoy with the beverage of your choice.
I just remembered an astonishing audio experience that I was fortunate enough to have a couple of years ago.  Someone I know, who happens to review for one of the major audiophile publications, invited me to hear his All-Gamut system.  At the risk of being hyperbolic, it was truly mind-blowing.  I mean the musicians were not only in the room but you felt as if you could almost touch them!
One downside for you is that, apparently, the Gamut gear sounded by far, the best, with Shunyata cables.  The price meets your budget, too!

The amps:
http://www.tonepublications.com/review/gamut-m250i-mono-power-amplifiers-preview/
Again, best of luck.  Sometimes the goal remains elusive, and ultimately unobtainable long-term.  #Slippery slope 101. 

Zen teachings can help ameliorate and diffuse, sometimes, but not always.

I still think you should at least have a listen to a Wells Audio amplifier. It couldn't be more convenient for you.  (no affiliation)

:)
@zprrI 
I was quoted $250 by local dealer for him to send a tech to my home with the amplifier I was interested in at the time, set it up, and give me a couple of days to audition. It seemed quite reasonable to me.

No dealer in his/her right mind would charge for an in-store!
Is there anyone here who believes that the more a component costs, the "better" it will sound?  It seems to me that the variables are great and are always relative. 

One more somewhat rhetorical question, what constitutes musical satisfaction for those seeking the nth degree, and how do you know when "you're there?"

If this is off-topic, mods, please delete.  Thanks and cheers to all.


It seems that past a point (the point being relative and with many variables) some folks are listening primarily to what their equipment does or does not do,  the music is the conduit.
Hobbies manifest in a myriad of ways. Audio is one of the more quirky and expensive.
 
There's always going to be something or other that some people are convinced is better.     And of course, there are the relativity and contingency factors.  Not to mention subjectivity.  :)
@mayoradamwest 
Just curious, is your listening room acoustically-treated?  Forgive me if I missed that in your earlier comments.