Which is better for a DBA (Swarm); powered subs or unpowered?


I want to start building a swarm (starting with 2 subs), on a budget.  Starting with $1000, am I better off buying two used powered subs, three less expensive used powered subs, or a subwoofer amp (eg Dayton SA1000) and two (less expensive) used unpowered subs?  What is the advantage of having a discrete subwoofer amp?  Room size is 13'x22'. 
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ieales
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DBA subs give a time incoherent mess everywhere."

Of course this is actually valid, verifiable, and repeatable how ever there are "lead heads" who love lots and lots of bass they like to "pump it up" so of course for them they need many sub woofers and for them it is best to have a variety of them mixing in 12 inch subs with 15 inch subs with smaller subs and a mix of low quality amplifiers often "Class D" which is really "Class Deficient"!
This is a most entertaining, enjoyable, and remarkable conversation between 2 people who do not know of what they talk about in fact "cleeds" doesn't even own a Music Reproduction System! This type of argument, disagreement, and debate is because no one involved uses anything approaching a Tru-Fi approach to sound reproduction which demands and requires understanding, knowledge, and familiarity with the properties of sound and the properties of components used to try and reproduce that sound. Now as developed Tru-Fi has profound, deep, substantial flaws mostly because it fails to accommodate, adjust, or even recognize ICSS distortion but  even in the absence or failure to address that distortion in can be shown, demonstrated, and revealed that low frequency reproduction is inherently directional but much less so than higher frequencies which may explain another aspect of this argument here. But many audiophiles are like children who's knowledge, experience, and understanding is incomplete and based on "cartoons" (audio magazines) which as not intended to be taken as valid, reproduceable, scientific research.
ieales"why would I lie? I’m not selling anything."

Accusing someone of deception, lies, and/or misrepresentation, deceit or even fraud is a common argumentative technique used frequently in politics but also frequently used, exerted, and applied hear by those who lack facts, understanding, and knowledge by accusing some one of lies it makes it easier to dismiss, reject, and disqualify they’re claims, statements, and representations and then when the insult is over they demand specific research, studies, or data from you it is all to put you on the defensive and conceal they’re own ignorance, misunderstanding, and immaturity these people are best ignored.

It is true that some people like "big bass" all around them thump thump thump so "swarm" or "dba" is good for them the more drivers and the bigger the better for them on the way to Perfect Sound Forever it is about BIG BASS not accuracy as has been shown, demonstrated, and revealed here because they don’t know what accuracy is they think all bass is omnidirectional and of course they can "prove" it with their monophonic bass systems!
heaudio123"You have not cited one source. Not one at all. A source is a research paper, not a name. Fine I source Floyd Toole. Is this how it works? Names mean nothing. An paper or similar they have published with actual tests that prove your hypothesis"

This is a very common, frequent, repeated type of approach from todays "millenials" and other children who need their "knowledge" prepared, presented, and predigested for they’re consumption the effort, burden, and work is always on some one else to meet their "needs" which are special, unique, and invariably very urgent they are unable to study, research, and formulate original ideas, concepts, and constructs of they’re own commonly.
Anyway you are wasting you’re time with cleeds he is a hemorroid or infected boil on this site you need to explore Tru-Fi and until you understand, comprehend, and can put in to practice and function it’s basic precepts and work with the properties of sound you will be like a blind child groping in the dark for understanding even as you proclaim knowledge, experience, and understanding.

Tru-Fi is all about the properties of sound and many components intended, designed, and marketed for use in Music Reproduction Systems are unable to completely, thoroughly, and properly reveal these properties in fact many are fully deficient, unable, and incomplete as has and can be shown to those who experience Tru-Fi although as I have previously explained, discussed, and stated Tru-Fi by itself is insufficient without introducing the proper mechanisms to adjust, compensate, and correct for ICSS distortion.
heaudio simply repeats previously digested "truths" but any one can do that of course here is one "Perfect Sound Forever!"