Which cables go with what?????


I never fails to amaze me, the questions people ask on this forum, always trying to find some synergy between cables and their components/speakers.

The fact is: there are two classes of cables:
1) Those that are neutral
2) Those that impose a sonic signature (tone controls of a sort)

If the average audiophile spent his time trying to weed-out the tone control cables and get some neutral cables, then all that would be left is to determine the right synergy between his or her components. This may mean elimination of an offensive component, as painful as that sounds.

Component synergy is real. Amps and speaker combinations definitely need to be selected carefully. In some cases also preamp-amp synergies are important. If you are using tubes, then there are even more compatibility issues. But cables, forget it. If you are trying to compensate for a poor component or speaker design by using tone control cables, you will probably never be happy and likely compromise the sound of the other components in the process. You will certainly never approach a live or "master-tape" sound. There, that's my editorial. Hopefully some will learn from it.
audioengr

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Has getting as close to what you would think is the real thing fit into the equation or is that being neutral?

Some cables just do not work with systems or speakers I would think. Atleast that is what I have founnd in my system. I also do not weigh much into having a cable for 30days. In some cases I can tell within the first week weather they are going to be right.Sometimes In the first day. Then there are others which I cannot put my final impression on because there is that something that just does not come off correct. It is only after an extended period I figure it out then they are gone.

I have a passive controller. I never thought of cables as being tone controls. If I wanted tone controls I would get an active Pre-Amp. I would rather just have what is what I would think to be the regular presentation as the Engineer had settled on being the final version. I could always add an EQ if I felt I needed one.

JMO
Have been following this thread for quite some time and I absolutley did not see the justification in attcking Steve for trying to get some feedback over synergy which is a paramount importance I see in mixing and matching Wires or synergy for use as tone controls.

How many times I have witnessed or read about others witnessing the factor of combining the correct components or wires which make or break a system is really to many to keep track of. I have been lucky in my quest over the years to only have used one amp that was realy a disaster whereas cables are another story. There is alot more examples of cables than components making or breaking a system in my reads.
Alot of times people will make the mistake of selling good components when all they had to do was switch wires. Real perplexing questuon and one that warrants futher investigation.

If I want tone controls I would have them on my Pre so I try to just have a synergy which to my ears aim for the truth of the components bringing out the areas of the recordings that I would not normally hear. If I cannot make out what the vocals are and hear the clash of Cymbals then I try something else till I hear what I know is there and it sounds natural.

Damn I never used Tone controls even when I had them with my Pre-Amps.

As stated I have nothing against AudioEng. starting this thread.Been very informative till I have had to go through post attacking him for asking posting a controversal topic which I have asked in several other post in different ways. If he were saying BUY MY CABLES! BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BEST! then It would warrent such opinions or opposition,but I have not seen that. Why then should the question of starting this thread even be considers.

JMO
"Oh, and if Audioengr is really starting these threads for the benefit of us mere music lovers, perhaps he could nominate a few manufacturers whose cables perform at the same exalted level as his own?"

I do not see he is promoting his wares. I do see other participants sharing their views though.

"NO audio component, passive or otherwise, can be completely transparent."

Exactly,but there is a place at which you can enjoy the place you get to in your system. No component will ever get to the true live event,but it's what illusion you think comes closest to it that matters to the owner in my opinion.

"If you take two identical cables and alter just a single design parameter, e.g. conductor purity, in one of them, they'll sound different."
Agree partially becasue there are those things which will not be audiable. IF you change some things they will not be noticed I think is what I am getting at. Purity is the reason why I am looking seriously at cryo processing.

I think Robert Lee of Acoustic Zen has it right when he says that cable design is as much an art as a science (Mr Lee is, I understand, an ex-professional violinist). Being a pro musician ahs nothing to do with making up wires except the fact that you would know what the real sound of a particular piece sounds like. There are to many variables involved in design and playback and synergy is one of them. If a Cable can reproduce Instrumental Music correct ,but tthen you play vocals and they are not true then it is a bad cable, in my system anyways.

A piece that can be considered SOTA has the ability to be more syngistic placed in any system it is inserted. This I think is the goal of the good designer. If AZ Cables can accomplish that then they are worthy of being SOTA.
Almost anything can be considered an ART BTW if it has be perfected over time IMO.

Just a few things I noticed.
"his wife is easily a gazillion times more attractive (than Steve)."

I should hope so unless your into the same sex thing!

So are you implying it might be a subliminal promotional thread? Kinda of funny if that is the case!