Shadorne
You made me spit my coffee back into my cup reading that - brilliant!
What makes it so funny is it is the truth. I have read a few gems on here and that ranks right up there with the funniest.
Signing off this post, I have to go back and read that one more time. |
Can someone please say something controversial. This has been very entertaining so far and I am ready to see some more blood and snot flying. |
Hey Bongofury and Darkmobeus - very refreshing to see a couple of obviously well educated and OPEN-MINDED music lovers on here, yes, MUSIC lovers. I listen to everything from jazz to rock to hard core rap and love it all. As far as intelligent rap goes don't forget Common, Atmosphere, Black Star and Talib Kwali (on his own). Bongofury we should hang out - BIG Mike Skinner (Streets) fan here ....profound insight from this kid. Lets not forget another truly great ARTIST - 2Pac!
Only once people are prepared to open their mind regarding music will they get all they can out of it and it is their loss as far as I am concerned. A quick scan of the music for sale on this site will tell you who we are dealing with - Pat Boone, Johnny Mathis, Cliff Richard, Bing Crosby, I mean come on guys, people have been making great music in the last half-century in case you weren't aware, and while rock really has not been able to out-do the 60s and 70s hip-hop has been driving things forward.
The OP suggests that we won't be listening to any of these hip-hop records in 20 years time???? Sorry to tell you we already are and some from 20 years back are as fresh today as they were back then and we will still be listening to the hip-hop classics in 50 years. The greatest thing I ever stumbled on in my life and it changed my whole outlook on music was techno (in a broad sense) and I am so thankful that I was open-minded enough to "get it" - it has been the most rewarding chapter in my musical life and I know there are people reading this now thinking it is all bang, bang, bang. Maybe it is ...... until you really take an interest and it too is ART and millions of people across the globe are hitting up clubs, festivals and parties every weekend and having the musical time of their lives. It is almost sad that many people will never get to experience the buzz that myself and people like Bongofury get to experience simply because of closed-mindedness. I never listened to jazz until recently and the reason I am enjoying it now is because I decided that if so many people are into it then I must be missing something. I opened my mind and now you can find me on a regular basis tearing the Jazz isle to pieces in search of something fresh, at least fresh to me. I DJ internationally for a living and I can tell you there is nothing to destroy your passion for music faster than playing and listening to the same old tracks. The whole rush for most of us is finding fresh music continuously.
Not knocking anybody for "looping" their music from 50 years ago, just don't knock people for, as Mike Skinner puts it, "pushing things forward."
Happy listening to all of you. |
Darkmooebius
What's a bored guy to do?
I don't want to see this thread dying, but if it gets any quieter I am going to be sitting here taking jabs at myself.
Out of boredom I jumped onto some others but, not to say I found them uninteresting after this, I just found them as interesting as sitting alone in an empty racket ball court while eating a ton of rice. |
Bongofury,
I be feeling ya bro. If you need a new crib fo crashin in, complete wit hoes jus holla at ya bouy. Things be poppin owf at ma crib an my hommie just turned me on to some dope christian rap, his band "Big Baby Jesus" be slingin mixtapes all over the hood.....they even better than The Beatles.
Lata |
Hey guys, what happened to the original poster? Seems he started a brawl, ducked under his keyboard and ran out the back door when it all hit the fan. My buddy said he saw him a couple of streets away, down an alley with a boom-box practicing his MC Hammer dance moves. |
T.PREAVES
Who is that - is that that old dude from the Allman Smothers? |
TPREAVES,
Yep, got it all down - even the bi-amping. Piece of cake in the end. Still working on room treatment issues though.
No, don't point me in the direction of any new gear, enough is enough and I am too easily tempted. |
Entrope
No, no, no - you are doing it all wrong. Critical listening at traffic lights really is not the way to go, especially with your windows up. I used to do this all the time but decided to spend all the money I was losing on parking tickets and traffic violations on hip-hop CDs instead. I swear to god, it sounded way better on my own home system.
Now i have all these guys with Audiogon stickers on their cars pulling alongside ME for a quick listen. One even made his fingers into an "A" shape and flashed me the Audiogon gang sign.....pretty scary. I hear there has been a spate of drive-by listenings out in the burbs recently, that is why me and HI FI snob prefer to stay at home on the sofa whacking off over John Denver.
Be safe, and keep it real....peace out! |
Funny the way this whole string reads. To be honest, I would have expected the intellectual, well thought out and researched posts to come from the rock/classical camp. Instead, all I am seeing from this side is "two liners" and grossly ignorant statements with absolutely no substance. The ones with even less to say but with more word-count have ran off with their tails between their legs after they were confronted by a smidgeon of intelligence.
OK, hope this ruffles a few feathers (hehe).
Oh, by the way, HI FI Snob is having a party at his house on Saturday, no chicks though. I RSVPd suggesting that he label all his components with REALLY big price stickers (cables and all) to save his breath and to give him a little more time to swan around his pad listening to all the ass-kissing male guests complimenting him on his system, which was the whole point of throwing the party in the first place. Time to let your hair down, It's gonna be absolutely craaaaaaaaazy. Dress code - suit and tie.
OK, I admit it, not much work to do around here today so I thought I would throw a few more cats in among the pigeons for a bit of fun. |
Tpreaves
Tiny Tim - now there's a blast from the past! I will give the treatment a miss though. Hip-hop accounts for probably 20% of what I listen to these days, I don't actually have a favorite genre at all - good music is good music whatever the genre and however it's made. If I wasn't so open-minded then maybe I would take you up on the treatment thing. Have you ever thought about checking yourself in?
I really don't understand why so many people on here have a fly in their ear over hip-hop. What I do suspect though is that something else is coloring their judgement (no pun intended) and it has nothing at all to do with music.
If I went through your music collection I am sure I would like a great percentage of it, maybe even latch onto some of the styles that normally wouldn't float my boat. I consider myself lucky in that sense. Obviously, some of the stuff I would pass on, but I could never see myself reacting towards it with out and out hatred like some of the above posters. Put it this way - if I was offered a night out, free beer all night to hang out with any 3 or 4 guys on this thread for a great time, fun conversation and a good old laugh I would have a hard time selecting more than three or four drinking buddies from the thread (don't worry Bongofury, the barmaid said yours is coming right up). What I am saying is, these reactions say more about the whole person than simply their taste in music. |
Nicksr
Thanks for that. You have got me a little curious now. I bought one Digable Planet's CD a long time back, can't remember the name and am too lazy to go and look now. It was was too hippy for me and I never looked more into any of the rest of their stuff as it really turned me off, but I will look into Blowout Comb....you never know.
I used to listen to a lot more hip-hop until I got my system but the sound quality on most records (CDs) ruined it a bit for me. I am fairly new to the Hi End audio thing and am in my honeymoon period I guess and am dabbling with all kinds of music, but it has to be well recorded or I get turned off right away on my new system.
As much as I really the music I already own I have always been on a mission for new stuff and never buy, say, rock classics that I am already familiar with. Being a DJ like yourself I love discovering new stuff for me and new new stuff for the crowd, say, two months old max. In my scene which is techno/house two months is getting old unless I am playing old tracks that nobody else has then I can get away with it.
Have to disagree a bit on the soundstage, emotion thing not being there. The soundstage can definitely be there and the emotion too but I agree most stuff doesn't have the sound quality as in a lot of organic music. |
Hey Bongo.
I am off to Brazil toaday for a week. I usually have to get to the airport a lot earlier than others. My jewelry keeps setting the buzzers off. By the time I take off all my necklaces and eight rings I am already cutting it close to catch my flight, and don't even get me started with the baseball hat and bandana.
They are always giving me a hard time for having all those batteries in my boom box too. Then there is the mandatory airline official who has always has something negative to say when I start breakdancing in the departure lounge.
I called Hertz in Rio and not one of the cars in their fleet come with 26 inch rims - can you believe that!
Anyway, the honeys on Copacabana beach will make it all worthwhile.
Oh, and don't worry, I won't forget to pick you up all that budget bling you asked me for.
Catch you later. |
Waaaazup Dmob
DeDE be trippin, na, I wanna be lookin dowyyyyyn from mae whip at them Agon mofs, not up.
Imma steal me one when I get to Rio......ain't no shame in mae game. |
Hi Bongofurious and Darkmoboebeous!!
Good to see you have still been defending the fort and warding off a few skirmishes in the trenches. I knew you would have a stockpile of ammunition if you needed to use it to keep the enemy at bay (hehe). |
Bongofury
Your breadth of musical knowledge never ceases to astound me!
Just checked out Zack Brown on Wiki and see they have 3 Grammy awards pending and are the first band to go to number one in the country charts with a debut since Heartland did in 2006. Seems like a good guy alright with his charity work too. Zack's eleven brothers and sisters must be proud. |
Entrope
That's all it takes - a little experimenting and an open mind and you will never look back. With regards to hip-hop, just look beyond the radio and you might be pleasantly surprised at what you will find. Like any music you will have to do a bit of digging before you find some diamonds in the rough.
I am going through the same thing with jazz right now. I always had a pre-conceived idea that this was a very pretentious genre and after several months exploring I still find I don't like a lot of it, but the stuff I am liking has made it all worthwhile and about 80% of what I have bought in the last 8 months has been jazz. A little reading on the history of a particular genre is also a great way to perk up your interest and I find it makes the listening more enjoyable too. |
Hey Bongo,
Sorry, I forgot to get back to you re. Donovan's b.day bash at Yoshi's. I am guessing you are coming up to SF for that??
I have to fly out to Spain tomorrow or it would have been great to catch you for a beer and a laugh. I will only be away for 4 days but when I get back I will be scurrying around to get things out of the way as I am taking off out of the country for a couple of months in a few weeks time.
Looks like a nice venue - never been there and only found out tonight they had even opened another Yoshi's in the city.
Anyway, if you make it up have a great time, and keep the break-dancing to a minimum Big Pappa.
Phat Tommy |
Hey, did any of you guys happen to see Larry King interviewing Paul McCartney a year or two back? He asked McCartney what he thought about rap music. McCartney said he loved it and loved the attitude and stated that if he were young that is what he would be into. Imagine that - The Beatley Boys. |
Hey Bongofury and Darkmoebius
Forgot to mention all the budget bling I brought you back from Brazil.
Anyway, just before I headed to Rio airport I had to go by the jewelers to pick it all up. I had us all killer big pendants made up too - all genuine imitation gold.
Mine was ready just before I headed to the airport - the chain links are the size of alligator eggs and the medallion is close to the size of an old 45 record. I was so happy when he handed me mine. I looked down at it and was ecstatic when I saw the words "PHAT TOMMY" sparkling in all its iced-out glory. On yours Darkmoebius, I had him bling it out with "DA MOEBSTA" and for Bongofury - "BIG PAPPA". We are going to look great at the Rocky Mountain Hi Fi Show (or whatever they call it), we won't be able to beat the girls off. Wait a minute - are there even girls at these things? There has to at least be a couple of cleaning ladies....don't you think?
When my taxi reached the airport I was wearing so much bling they had to transport me into check-in on one of those airport wheelchairs. I checked my luggage in and the girl said my bags were too heavy and informed me that each of the three bags could only weigh 70lbs. I asked how much I was over and she said each case was 350lbs.... and it might be a problem. I explained that they were full of bling for my charity - The Phat Tommy Phoundation and I was going to give it to all the poor kids in my hood and the rest would go off to Haiti. This brought a tear to her eyes and she put a hand on her stomach and leaned slightly forward in the wounded soldier stance and told me what a wonderful man I was. Personally I think she was star-struck and attracted to me and all my bling. It was pretty obvious she had never been in the company of a middle aged man wearing a pin striped suit and so much bling before.
Anyway, she let it slide and I told her I would give American Airlines a plug on my next number one rap record, no sponsorship money necessary.
All I could think of as I walked away was how much money I was going to make off all the bling selling it for top dollar to the kids in my hood.
I had about an hour to kill before my plane took off for San Fran so I decided to get my limp on and and do a few laps of the concourse to give all the airport girls a chance to check me and my bling out and hopefully hound me for my number, or at least an autograph. Now I'm not saying I am Brad Pitt, and maybe my hairline is receding a bit, ok, more than a bit. In fact if it recedes any more I will have no hair left on my arse. However, I did go to the trouble of having the remaining three inch strip of hair that goes horizontally from ear to ear made into corn rows and chicks dig it. After about 35 laps and no numbers I was finally approached..........by two plain clothes guys. The first one looked me and my medallion up and down, flashed his badge and said "you must be Phat Tommy", to which I replied "oh yea, and you must be Albert f***** Einstein, or did your little sidekick Sherlock Holmes over there figure that one out for you" Needless to say within the hour I was laying on the top bunk sleeping with one eye open in case big Bubba decided try anything funny.
Oh well, maybe it is right what they all say about us hip-hoppers ending up in jail for 1-99, but as far as I am concerned it was nothing more than a targeted profiling case simply because I had a couple of rap CDs on me.
Needless to say, next time I fly I am wearing my Stetson and Wranglers and the only music I will be carrying will be "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy." That song has such "greatness."
Well guys, I guess you can tell I'm bored again tonight, plus I know Dmob always gets a kick out of my idiocy. |
Problem is, coming back from somewhere like that you can't help notice the disproportionate amount of women with faces that look like Oakland booty, at least out here in the sticks where I live right now. I think the movie "Deliverance" must have been shot here. My next door neighbor has about two teeth, less hair than me, a wonky eye and a face like a sumo wresters ass....and I think she has taken a liking to me - yikes!
Yep, it feels like I have just fallen out of a dream back into a reality nightmare.
How much does a one way ticket to Rio go for these days? |
Dmob
Not me mate - 5'3"?
I could never date women 6 inches taller than myself. |
Hey Bongo - how's it going brother?
Got home last night and went through my CD binders by genre and decided to pop in a little hip-hop (I have been on a jazz thing lately). Oh, the word-play - love it.
"The cops and the choppers come to box me in
but i've got knowledge of self
that's stronger than any cage they can lock me in"
Taleb Kweli "The Beast"
Love it! |
Before you get religious and start praying remember, Choral music is way more likely to lead to shame and irreversible damage - just ask a choirboy.
If you are under twelve just watch where you are kneeling when you start praying a whole bunch. That genre and environment is rampant with all the negative terms you just mentioned - lawlessness, lack of decency, shame, irreversible damage - who is their hero?
It all has little to do with the material and everything to do with the environment they grow up in. Take the music away and the gangs will go away? This is like saying watching the Soprano's is is going to cause a crime wave.
I would feel much safer sending my son to a hip-hop concert than to choir practice - and I mean that. |
Bongofury
I guess they are all off the computer and checking out all the great music we turned them onto. As for me, I am just chilling at home listening to loads of great music from the 70s mixed up with a healthy dose of Mahler and Beethoven. You should swing by - there is wine and cheese......it's absolutely craaaaaaazy!
I have been off sticking my clueless nose in on technical gear threads once in a while - not nearly as fun as this one has been.
Must dash, my favorite Donny Osmond CD has just come on. |
Hey Bongo and Dmob, we are over on another thread trying to demolish some careers on the "lame duck" thread.
I left the door open and the light on for you. |
HXT1
Did I just speak without moving my lips......... ooops, sorry it was you.
I agree with everything you noted. An open-mind makes for a healthy life and mind.
Welcome to the club, small as it is on here, and as Bongofury noted "outnumbered but never outgunned." |
Bongo
Forget the Bay Area - I am off for a few months to the land of big bums and Bossa Nova....so if you should ever find yourself down that way just pop me an email.
Hey, there is a whole new sound breaking loose from the favela's down there - Baile Funk. It is electronic music and has been around for a while, with its roots in Miami Bass and it takes a bit of getting used to - real raw and gritty sound with great hard core parties with huge walls of speakers and all those skinny gorgeous mulatos getting real nasty to it and a vibe similar to the early rave warehouse party days. You put your life in your hands going in there unless you are well connected. DJ Diplo is into that sound now and has even brought some of the acts to the states. On his first adventure into one of the parties in Rio he was greeted at the door by a bunch of 15 years olds, big blunts hanging out of their mouths, AK 47s slung over their shoulders and strapped up with hand grenades. One kid had a hottie bent over on the dancefloor and was doing lines of the devils dandruff off her ass!
Anyway, it is sweeping Brasil like crazy now and it is becoming relatively mainstream. It is at the point where a DJ in a regular cub just needs to drop a funk track and the roof comes off the place. I plan on hitting up a real favela party on this trip. My guess is it is going to be the next big thing here within a few years. |
Sit, nice to see someone willing to explore - you won't regret it! Maybe dip your toes into some "trip-hop" this is a kind of chilled out hip-hop and the Ninja Tunes label have been doing this well for a long time, check them out on the internet, I think they are still around but there is a wide variety of stuff on that label so don't be put off at first glance.
Bongofury, did you know that The Streets first album got onto Rolling Stones best 100 albums of all time and still be considered "underground" too! If anybody is from England you will get more out of this guy very humorously depicting english working class life.Bedroom produced stuff but raw as it gets and if there are any clubbers out there you will know what he is talking about, he has definately lived a bit of that life.
Bongofury, gotta say it again, your knowledge is very impressive - what do you do for a living? Are you also from the Bay Area?
Anyway, good to see all this heated debate, wether I agree or not. For me this is where the real passions should come out - regarding the music itself, as opposed to that extra 2% of sonic quality when listening to it.
For any country folks out there you might want to try Bubba Sparxx "Deliverance". Brilliant Timabaland produced album, witty, not gangsta with a focus more on chickens and dogs in the yard than urban life. This was a hugely critically acclaimed album but commercially, no so. "Dark Days Bright Nights is another masterpiece by him, but forget about "The Charm" when he sold out and nose-dived. |
THE EXCITING SOCIAL LIFE OF HI FI SNOB
Hi Fi snob got married at 23
Hi Fi Snob has never set foot in a club because he got married at 23
Hi Fi Snob will (very occasionally, say every five years) go to a rock concert but afterwards will brag more to his friends about his back-stage pass than the vibe.
Hi Fi Snob thinks he is too old to go to concerts or clubs because he just turned 24
Hi Fi Snob has never been young. He has done "old people" stuff since his teens.
Instead of going out dancing on a Saturday night Hi Fi snob prefers to sit on the sofa bobbing his head from side to side to Carly Simon.
Hi Fi Snob criticizes people over 25 for going out to clubs suggesting they are "trying to relive their youth"
Hi Fi Snob taps a police officer on the shoulder at the Niel Young concert and says "look officer - I just saw that guy smoking a joint."
Hi Fi Snob tells his kids "Don't get me wrong, I too was a wild partier back in the day"
Hi Fi Snob puts his hand in the back pocket of his neatly pressed trousers to find a business card, then pushes his tie (emblazoned with Stanford logos) to the side to dig in one of the two little pockets of his knit cardigan.
He finally pulls out out a business card and says "hey young fellow, if you want to listen to some real music from the 70s call me up. There will be wine and cheese......it's gonna be absolutely craaaaazy"
Hi Fi Snob loves to sit on the sofa listening to John Denver while playing with Rubic's Cube, because just like him..........it's SQUARE.
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Entrope
Re country music - you realize you are on hip-hop thread turf here? Anyway, we aren't feeling violent today so we will let you slide. Seriously though, I am not a country guy......... but, a couple of weeks back I happened to pick up a random CD - the Zack Brown Band - "The Foundation". No ten gallon hats and wranglers here - the guys look like a white Cypress Hill with beanies and baggy clothes. Anyway, I popped the CD in my car and was very impressed. Every musician in the group is top-notch and the band as a unit is tight as a fly's ear. They have a bit of a southern rock thing going on and every track is worth a listen or ten. I think this is a pretty new band (at least I have never heard of them) and I am sure they will be HUGE. As I say, country isn't my thing but there is no denying it they are a great band - definitely check them out if you aren't already familiar. |
