when the herb kicked in and your rig sounds perfect

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Cleeds, I do not care what Wikipedia or any other publications stand. In my experience, it relaxes me ... I use it for all the pain my arthritis causes me ... Besides that, it puts me in a better mood and allows me to enjoy the music so much more.

I think that's great - I'm among those in favor of legal marijuana and I supported its legalization where I live. Sooner or later, the federal government will have to catch up to the rest of us and change banking rules to accommodate the cannabis trade. But I believe in facts, and your claim that marijuana is not a drug is absurdly wrong. To promote marijuana use while denying that it's a drug is simply not responsible, imo:

Cannabis is neither a drug or a narcotic ... @cleeds, psychoactive drug? THC at best relaxes the body, I never had a psychoactive experience, ever.

My apologies to the forum for the inexplicable and inadvertent turn for the worse on the commentary and incessant debate throughout this thread. You know who you are. And thanks to those who do get what I was trying to explain.  Really the post that kicked this all off has little to do with Herb, only that I was hyper focused on how great the music was. Ultimately it’s all about the music and what it invokes in us, and the goosebumps it gives.  At some point, after all the research, technical specs, listening rooms, loaner equipment, and demonstrations... whatever it is that you plug in and power on, try and hear the forest through the trees and enjoy it. 

I was tickled with my system while a little inebriated the other night. It was CBC radio 2 playing Chick Corea's Now he sings, Now he sobs. Fantastic, the thing with being a bit "loose" for me is the ability to really get down with what the artist was driving at. I can tune out the white noise and easily listen without judgement. What a solid, solid album. Thanks be to the CBC! 

Alchohol annually kills 70,000 or so people in this country alone, and pot hasn't been shown to have killed anybody anywhere. You can't say that about many common drugs including aspirin. It's by definition "non toxic" and has the unique properties of not being physically addictive (you may be mentally "addicted" to all sorts of things but that's absolutely not the same) and self limiting, in that generally being too high is uncomfortable (common when taken as an "edible" as the way your body processes pot through the digestive system is different from the lungs). Those are the facts. I smoke my legal weed here and there including when listening to music, and, of course, know many other successful and brilliant adults who enjoy it. The opiate scourge rages on amongst those unfortunate enough to be trapped in that habit, but other than being therapeutic for some in recovery, pot plays no role in that stuff. Get ready for the surge in therapeutic psychedelics as they've been shown to provide near miraculous results in relieving depression and addiction, among other things. 

Longitudinal studies of all cause mortality has shown increased death due to cannabis consumption, however, its usage is far lower than alcohol, and not "mainstream", so comparatively, I am not sure comparisons are easy.


Cannabis, like alcohol is absolutely addictive, but similar to alcohol is not addictive to everyone. I think around 25% is the accepted stat of uses who have some level of problem, which I don't believe is too far off alcohol.