What would you do?


I happen to have proof that a fairly well known American boutique audio audio company routinely and brazenly shill bids its auctions for audio equipment. Knowledge of this fraud and so many people being ripped off troubles me. Thoughts?
sbach11

Showing 4 responses by zd542

"What I do not understand is why they do not simply place a meager reserve price for the auctions, instead of going through the rigmarole of placing shill bids ."

It makes the product look more desirable to potential bidders. 5 or 6 different bidders creates more excitement than 1 or 2.
"If someone here has a handle on shill bidding it would be nice if you would volunteer to look at this before it is publicly posted on the off OFF chance I am missing something. I assure you I am not, but nevertheless.."

2 things. First is, giving the info to a self proclaimed expert on shill bidding is probably not the person you want to give the info to, just for that reason. Second, it sounds like you are getting cold feet here. If you don't know what you have and/or you have an ulterior motive, maybe you should drop the whole thing and leave it alone. Walk away before you make a fool of yourself.
"11-01-15: Sbach11
Jeffb, what part of 'all the info you need is still on the other site' dont you get? And I am wrong for starting a rumor about a dealer when I haven't even named a dealer? And simultaneously I am wrong for dragging this out and not providing the information? And did I say I was a lurker?"

You expect him to go to the worlds auction site, ebay, and look for bids on electronics for around $90 that could be construed as shill, and then apply it to a particular brand of electronics that sells cables and speakers? And you make it sound like its an easy thing to do, he'll have no problem finding it.

"I've led you to water and you're complaining that I won't pour the drink down your throat."

That's where you expose yourself as a fraud. If the answer is just a couple of mouse clicks away, like you say it is, what difference does it make if you name the company or someone else does with your "help"? None whatsoever. I wouldn't be worried so much about pouring water down someone else's throat, as I would be of all the crack you're doing.
"And name calling, really? Didn't think this was that kind of place."

You may have a case if it wasn't true.

"If Audiogon members confirm what I've been saying it makes all the difference, right? Maybe I'm missing your point."

You're not missing my point, you're missing yours. You're an Audiogon member yourself. There's no difference if you give the name, or someone else does. If you can't do something that simple would anyone believe you?