@shawnlh
came across your thread and it intrigued me. Apologies I went and did it again by posting long... I get into this info dump & can’t seem to stop.
my Audiogon New Year’s resolution was to try to post more like ebm.
I can’ t seem to do it.
So here is some personal experience, hope it helps and be wary of those on forums who have a bias toward creating Audiophile Bedlam.
From my personal experience, its very important when looking at TT’s, to observe how they have been built (what the designer was thinking) to deal with resonances and how much decoupling is going on within the TT’s own manufacturer’s design. Each TT needs to be looked at on its own. The higher you go up in a company’s line, the better resonance control. You would think anyway. This makes sense as more dollars should buy better resonance control. But whether the designer chooses a coupled or decoupled design is matter of choice - to the designer. Good decoupled designs should be able to be placed on a platform, and the TT should not be as affected by changing out the platform the TT sits on as long as it is sturdy, does not move, does not like to dance, etc...
Now IME, wood plinth layering combinations, do also provide good resonance dampening (my Jean Nantais 100 lb Lenco is an example of this). When people ask me how it compares to the others I say - It sounds better than it has a right to - imo based on its design.
Shawnlh - if we take a look at your TT - The Clearaudio Concept.
Now you said
Your TT’s interface with the 3" maple is this (taken from CA’s website)
Product Description
and under technical specs.
So it is a coupled design. There is no decoupling going on from what I can tell looking quickly. It is not surprising to me that changing out platforms changes the way the music is presented.
Now IMO Clearaudio based on your Original Post findings; should change the website wording "eliminates" to ......why don’t we pick a better word to describe what is happening. Maybe its just the German translation.
What do you think? Obviously a different platform that "changes" the presentation does not "eliminate"
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ok Lets have more fun. Another higher up the line CA TT model .
Called Clearaudio Performance.
From the website
It’s website specs show a bigger, taller heavier platter, and the plinth is heavier, higher and deeper. Now interestingly this upper level table still appears to be coupled to the platform one uses below it. There is still no decoupling going on. IMO someone with this higher up the chain TT will still have significant changes to the music being played, using different platforms.
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I kind of want to see whats at the end of the rainbow here... don’t you ?
Now the Statement top of the line TT model from Clearaudio.
From the website - the plinth.
Wow - Bullet proof wood. That sounds pretty cool doesn’t it ?
There’s more.
A Magnetic Bearing !
Hey Geoffkait. Helloooooo! You know I kind of like this right ?
It also appears that the TT has some decoupling with four oil filled dampers
What do you guys think ? Geoffkait - interested to know what would be your first mod to the Statement TT ?
http://clearaudio.de/en/products/turntables-statement.php
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So..... if your TT is not decoupled , IMO owners will be doing the TT shoe*** dance, but not with shoes. This time we will call it the platform dance.
***I like to call TT feet - shoes.
shawnlh - I hope this was fun and maybe helpful. It was for me.
apologize in advance for any typing grammar errors and the long post.
Happy listening
came across your thread and it intrigued me. Apologies I went and did it again by posting long... I get into this info dump & can’t seem to stop.
my Audiogon New Year’s resolution was to try to post more like ebm.
I can’ t seem to do it.
So here is some personal experience, hope it helps and be wary of those on forums who have a bias toward creating Audiophile Bedlam.
From my personal experience, its very important when looking at TT’s, to observe how they have been built (what the designer was thinking) to deal with resonances and how much decoupling is going on within the TT’s own manufacturer’s design. Each TT needs to be looked at on its own. The higher you go up in a company’s line, the better resonance control. You would think anyway. This makes sense as more dollars should buy better resonance control. But whether the designer chooses a coupled or decoupled design is matter of choice - to the designer. Good decoupled designs should be able to be placed on a platform, and the TT should not be as affected by changing out the platform the TT sits on as long as it is sturdy, does not move, does not like to dance, etc...
Now IME, wood plinth layering combinations, do also provide good resonance dampening (my Jean Nantais 100 lb Lenco is an example of this). When people ask me how it compares to the others I say - It sounds better than it has a right to - imo based on its design.
Shawnlh - if we take a look at your TT - The Clearaudio Concept.
Now you said
Wood is 3" maple, TT is a ClearAudio Concept. Previous wood was just laminated pb, hence my surprise with the depletion of stage depth.
Your TT’s interface with the 3" maple is this (taken from CA’s website)
Product Description
Beneath the refined, contemporary exterior lies a level of technical sophistication unique to Clearaudio. The Concept’s chassis comprises a core of natural medium-density wood fibre within an aluminium surround and upper layer incorporating a high tech synthetic compound. This composite of materials eliminates the detrimental effects caused by unwanted vibrations.
and under technical specs.
Resonance-optimised chassis
So it is a coupled design. There is no decoupling going on from what I can tell looking quickly. It is not surprising to me that changing out platforms changes the way the music is presented.
Now IMO Clearaudio based on your Original Post findings; should change the website wording "eliminates" to ......why don’t we pick a better word to describe what is happening. Maybe its just the German translation.
What do you think? Obviously a different platform that "changes" the presentation does not "eliminate"
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ok Lets have more fun. Another higher up the line CA TT model .
Called Clearaudio Performance.
From the website
Resonance-optimised turntable, highly compressed wood chassis in sandwich construction embedded between two aluminium plates.
It’s website specs show a bigger, taller heavier platter, and the plinth is heavier, higher and deeper. Now interestingly this upper level table still appears to be coupled to the platform one uses below it. There is still no decoupling going on. IMO someone with this higher up the chain TT will still have significant changes to the music being played, using different platforms.
********************************************************
I kind of want to see whats at the end of the rainbow here... don’t you ?
Now the Statement top of the line TT model from Clearaudio.
From the website - the plinth.
Aluminium, stainless steel and bullet proof wood
Wow - Bullet proof wood. That sounds pretty cool doesn’t it ?
There’s more.
Patent pending non-contact magnetic drive system eliminates noise and wear.
Revolutionary Clearaudio magneticbearing design, eliminates friction with "floating platter".
A Magnetic Bearing !
Hey Geoffkait. Helloooooo! You know I kind of like this right ?
It also appears that the TT has some decoupling with four oil filled dampers
4 oil dampers for the turntable main chassis self-levelling system
What do you guys think ? Geoffkait - interested to know what would be your first mod to the Statement TT ?
http://clearaudio.de/en/products/turntables-statement.php
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So..... if your TT is not decoupled , IMO owners will be doing the TT shoe*** dance, but not with shoes. This time we will call it the platform dance.
***I like to call TT feet - shoes.
shawnlh - I hope this was fun and maybe helpful. It was for me.
apologize in advance for any typing grammar errors and the long post.
Happy listening