What's the weak link in my system?


     I've pieced together the best budget system I could afford over the years but I'm just not thrilled with the sound I'm getting. Can anyone help me identify the weakest link (s) in my system so I can upgrade? I only have the budget to upgrade one piece at this time. I'm most interested in listening to vinyl.
Currently Configured:

Pro-ject Genie 1.3 Turntable w/ Sumiko Pearl Cartridge
Bellari VP 130 Phono Pre w/ Tung-Sol Tube & Replaced Power Supply  
Marantz CD 6006 CD Player
Parasound P3 Stereo Preamp
Parasound A23 Power Amp
PSB T6 Platinum Speakers
Bluesound Node
AKG K702 Headphones
Audioquest Daimondback Interconnects
Audioquest Rocket 33 Speaker Wire

Also Have:
NAD C235BEE Integrated AMP
Monitor Silver RS6 Speakers
Marantz SA8260 SACD Player (Used to sound great but doesn't work consistently - not sure if worth having repaired)
Musical Fidelity V Can Headphone Amp


So.... I think I have put together the best possible system configuration using what I have. What would be the weakest link / first to upgrade? Turntable? Phono Pre? Pre-Amp? Suggestions of products to upgrade to without breaking the bank? I've accumulated a bunch of stuff but I'm really a novice so any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated!   

jdm11

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@willemj - I can see that you are definitely a person who is completely reliant on specs and you seem to have the traditional old school opinion that cables do not matter at all. That is perfectly fine. You are perfectly okay to disagree on certain points, but please do not drop down to name calling or insulting people because you do not agree with their points of view. This creates a situation where there is no objective discussion and the thread degrades into a flame war.

Please always try to approach things with an open mind. The traditional engineering approach that states "since a fact is written down as a fact, it is therefore always a fact" is not always correct. We are always discovering new things. Also, the engineer who believes that something is fact may not be able to hear the differences that certain audiophiles can hear.

I took a quick look at your ODAC. I would not say the specs are that great (for a DAC chip). The (now aging) ESS 9018 beats the specs of the ODAC. The ODAC states lowest THD at 0.0015% and DR of >112db. The ESS 9018 THD is 0.0001% (-120db) and DR of 129/135 db. However, this does not necessary mean that the ESS DAC will sound and be superior over your ODAC. There is a lot of missing stuff here such as I/V and LPF audio stages, which will work on further shaping the waveform that is just flat DC voltage injections from the DAC chip. We haven’t even talked about power supply (such as high capacitance, linear power supply filter, cable material, etc.). The ODAC is powered from USB cable, which is a bottleneck and, in most cases, will have a switching power supply from the transport (definitely switching if it is from a common computer).

The ODAC is also designed by NwAvGuy. I’m sure the design is fine, but I have read NwAvGuy’s posting on op amps and I don’t necessarily agree with all his points, especially his statement on the "MYTH" most op amps sound different. I have tested many different op amps in a highly ideal analog circuit. This means a high capacitance (2 x 10,000uf) linear power supply with R-Core transformer, fully discrete Class-A based voltage regulators, very high end electrolytic capacitors with minimal electrical resonance, OCC solid-core chassis wire for power cable, film-on-foil feedback capacitors, etc. etc. In all cases, I can definitely hear differences between op amps. And the specs on an op amp do not necessarily mean they will sound good. You can disagree here if you wish. However, for those of us who can sit down and hear the differences, this is a fact for us that there are differences in different elements.

I noticed nobody commented on the Marantz SA8260 SACD player.  It looks to have a superior analog section when compared to your CD 6006.  You could look into having it repaired and possible get back a better source.  It depends on your threshold.  Would you spend $200?  $300?  more?  Also, it looks to be about 10 years old, so the mechanical of the transport has a higher risk of failure.  If the disc transport itself is a problem, it could be challenging for a technician to find a replacement.

@jdm11 - there are a lot of different opinions and suggestions posted here.  I do agree with several opinions that your source is very important.  One thing I have found is that if the sound quality or sonic signature of the waveform is not there from the beginning, there is nothing in the middle that will "bring back" that sound quality or refinement.  A $10,000 preamp with a $200 CD player may sound very good, but it is not going to magically "fix" the poor sound quality from the CD player.  That being said, you can spend more and more on a source that you get to a point where you are not able to hear the "differences" between two high priced sources.  One thing that could happen here is that your middle layers (cables / preamp) do not have enough resolution to allow you to hear the differences between sources.

I have taken a look at your equipment list.  Nothing really jumps out at me as a "weak link" because everything on the list is pretty equivalent.  I have absolutely no experience with turntables, so I could not comment on that.  Your Marantz CD 6006 is a fine source.  Marantz has excellent focus on power supply and also its discrete analog stages.  The Marantz equipment is voiced to be on the warm side, so if you like that sonic signature, it's great to stay with the Marantz.  The Parasound P3 looks to be a fine preamp design with good power supply.

As I said, I do not have experience with turntables, so the previous comments that the turntable / phono preamp should be upgrade might be correct.  That being said, I have noticed your PSB T6 speakers are 4 ohm.  Usually, speakers have a drop in their impedance curve where the impedance can reach as low as 2-3 ohms in the bass/midbass area.  This speaker is mostly higher than 4 ohm, but there is a drop to 3 ohm between the 250Hz and 700Hz region:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/psb-image-t6-loudspeaker-measurements

Based on this, I would say that your Parasound A23 amp -might- be somewhat of a weak link here.  If I had your system, I might look at upgrading to the larger Parasound A21 amp.  It has a power supply twice as large.  This may handle that low impedance area in the low midrange better than the A23.  Also, the A21 will just be a much more refined sound than the A23.

@jdm11 - I totally understand. I had to leave for several hours, but before I left I just saw how you described what your "problems" were and what you wanted:

- CDs sound a bit harsh and thin.

- I’m looking for a more "3D" kind of sound with depth and warmth but clarity as well (not muddled or fuzzy).

If these are your problems, there are several things I can think of that could help you move towards your goal:

- power cords. If you are still using the stock power cords for your equipment (cd, preamp, amplifier), then looking at an upgraded power cord can significantly improve things. I have recently found that the Audioquest power cords which use solid-core conductors are an excellent solution. I listened to the Audioquest NRG-4 model before I re-terminated the ends with Furutech rhodium connectors. The stock NRG-4 cable sounds very nice. It has a very solid sound with warmth and power. The solid-core conductors ensure that music impacts hit with authority and power. The gold-plated copper connectors give a nice warm sound. I would avoid any of the power cords with silver-plated connectors in your situation.  I have gone through testing with many different power cord material and geometries.  Solid-core conductors win every time.  Stranded wire power cords can sound good, but they just don't have the same "solid" audio character and they sound very "lo-fi" and "digital".  I have tested this with a very high end Furutech OCC copper power cord.  They just don't work as well as solid-core conductors.

Stock power cords usually use very small 18awg stranded conductors and may not even be copper. The stock cord connectors are also poor quality. These stock power cords can introduce a bright/harsh character to the sound.

- fuse upgrade. This is only a slight suggestion as fuses are definitely a controversial subject. I have also found that stock fuses will sound bright/harsh. Although, the right choice of fuse can be difficult to determine. I usually recommend Isoclean as being a very nice warm sounding fuse. This may end up being to warm for you as it can roll-off the high frequencies in some scenarios. You can try the Furutech/PADIS fuses, but expect a 200+ hour burn-in and these fuses can be very fast and revealing to the point where the system becomes too thin/lean/cold. There are other fuse choices. I would avoid the silver Hi-Fi Tuning fuses in your situation because you feel you have too much harshness/thin character.

- Interconnects. If you want, you can start backing off from the silver-plated elements. Your Audioquest Diamondback interconnects have excellent conductors, but they do have the silver-plated connectors. These will conduct electricity a lot faster than other elements and will contribute to the very bright/thin character. If you want to look into this, I would say to get the best Audioquest interconnects you can that still use gold-plated connectors. The Perfect Surface Copper and Foamed Polyethylene Insulation are excellent items in Audioquest cables.

- switching power supplies. All of your listed equipment uses linear power supplies, but you don’t describe power distribution. Are you using a single power strip or going to different outlets? If you have any device with a switching power supply connected to the same power strip or outlet, this can cause your audio to have a bright/harsh digital solid-state character. These can be things such as bluray players, satellite receivers, or anything else that has a switching power supply or wall-wart.