So the Denon is mid fi but the Emotiva is hifi?
You know the AMC Gremiln looked like a good deal at first aswell. |
Yes Lexicon rebadged ther new Oppo, thats old news but I talked about the MC8 that was made years ago and by most accounts was a superb product in its day....try to stay on topic.
I noted the Emotiva was good for the money..........what more do you want? Dont be so insecure. |
Its only opinion tuning unless you are prepared to show detailed graphs from REQ Wizard or something of that nature. Just "liking" something doesnt mean squat. |
Sometimes you get what you pay for and there is no such thing as a free lunch. This has to be the worst pruduct roll out in history and I think we will have to wait a couple years to see if they are worth it. |
Same old same old, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. They had so many folks carry their water for so long and I for one am glad this all happened because it was getting silly with the praise and hype. Its nice to face reality......well maybe not for Emotiva. |
I agree Emotiva bit the dust big time......even with all the Gorilla net marketing, you cant hide a bad product from being discovered. |
Goober may work there, you would try to keep your job too lol. |
I never said I hadnt tried the gear, Denon is midfi, but from what I have seen and heard so is Emotiva. The amps sound cold and dry, the Pro has so many issues its not worth going into, look its nice for the price but lets not lose touch with reality.......it aint hifi.
The Anthem D2V (I do own to this day) has a much better pure sounding preamp and internal DACS, yes it costs but the last few percent is what some pay for.
BTW I dont think either is a real 2 channal pre and thats why I use a dedicated Ref 3 for music side....I also own a 2channel Anthem tube unit, Rotel 1068, Lexicon MC8 aswell.
This isnt my first trip around the block.....I have been swimming these waters for years. |
Not everyone has access to every specific model of every ilk so no I didnt do a direct comparison but have heard it and to me its cold and sterile and doesnt involve me.
I said its good for the money and thats all I am going to say. |
3 times? Now your just blindly blowing smoke up everyones ass, Emotiva makes a product for X amount and knows it is worth Y and they price it accordingly. To act as if Emotiva is some sort of charitable outfit concerned first with giving away product and profit second is just proof you know nothing about business.
Emotiva is surviving and maybe even thriving because it understands the value of its product pure and simple. There are 2 ways to go out of business, charge too much or charge too little......its obvious they are priced correctly. Its obvious your a fan and thats great but lets not get crazy here. |
I dont think the Anthem D2V's calibration is at all "amateur hour" after doing 7 mic positions the only thing I found I wanted to adjust was a little bump in center channel level.
I do agree in general that most are a waste of time and some only get you maybe half way there but Anthem is a different league starting first and foremost with its carefully calibrated, matched and high quality microphone.
Up thill then I had got by just fine for over 15 years and maybe 9 different systems in that period.
If your room is good, treated and speakers are well positioned a rat shak SPL meter and your own ear is about all you need. Even a second system I have of Rotel seperates is great with just bass and treble trim for all speakers so 11 bands is a bit overkill IMO but tweekers surely enjoy all that freedom. |
Its obvious the truth is somewhere in the middle of some extremes told here, it was and still is a flawed product with a poor release and questionable R&D that allowed this ever delayed product to STILL be released with bugs and flaws. There is no debating that.
But on the other hand some are appearing to go to extremes on slamming this company, that perhaps has learned a valuable lesson and has cleaned up its act.
So lets not suggest it was anything other than a flawed release, lets also not suggest that its some giant killing revolutionary product that slays anything in its path. But lets also find time to champion a company who atleast has attempted to make a reasonable product at a reasonable price and hope they will avoid troublsome issues in the future. |
I am not so sure that your prepared to be objective Rob, you are already saying you sure this new unit (with bugs...that in itself is an amazing lack of confidence) but still you seem certain its going to be some "giant killer"
Sorry but your shilling before its even out, it is apparent your not prepared to be nuetral to me.
As shaneful as Emo's last release was it will be the untimate show of greed and arrogance if the new unit has ANY bugs whatsoever, any serious company will learn from and refuse to repeat a flawed product launch. I look forward to final judgement on exactly what kind of company we are dealing with here. If its a great release then bravo and the shame will fade in time, if it is however yet another arrogant misguided premature and lengthy delayed launch of a subpar product they deserve to fail and we should not slow the demise down with explanatory excuses and slide of hand positive forum marketing, they should die the death they desrve. The have recieved their get out of jail free card, if it happens again we should execute.
Trying to make a product that is good for the money is a great goal but its worthless to only have good intentions, the proof is in performace as promised.........thats not unreasonable to expect, or demand.
Emotiva I am talking to you, you have one more chance to right the ship................are you listening?
Time will tell I suppose.................tick tock! |
There has not been any Science fiction, stop shilling please.
I have nver had one bug in a Anthem, Rotel, Lexicon, Onkyo or Denon unit. Lesser recievers from Sony (2), Onkyo (3), Pioneer (2) have never had an issue either. A firmware update was usually a new feature not a fix for a bug so your comfort and dismissal of flaws is laughable and should simply not happen.
I am thankful Emo isnt in the medical business because this business model could be life and death.
Does Emo pay you by the post for your blind loyalty?
I dont think Outlaw, marantz and current Onkyo offerings are any better or worse and have not suggested either way, the Emo is a sub $1000 unit in cost and IMO performance and is priced correctly........and as a bonus bugs and glitches are free of charge, what a deal! |
So lets get things straight, nobody can HEAR, EXPERIENCE, be informed, or eductated on any given item of audio if they dont own it? I am thankful for information these days that allow light to shine on dirty little secrets in this hobby, it has saved me from potentially being very disapointed with how I spend my money.
Come to think of it I dont own lawn darts but know they are dangerous (or am I assuming too much?).
There are these things called friends, its a fantastic concept, you see it allows you to visit their homes and experience things they own............you should look into it.
I am oerfectly reasonable but you go too far and you dont even see it in yourself, you insult others with claims of "science fiction" and you hang onto this foolish notion that nobody can possibly hear a audio product they dont own, ears actually do work outside of your own home, I promise its true!
We get your a fan, we can see how much of a crush you have on Emo and that you are a true believer, just because others are not doesnt allow you to mock them, accuse them of making things up or being immature, all of which you have done over and over I might add. Sometimes you get the reply and attitude you deserve. When people point out this company and it flaws you simply say "everyone does it" and thats just not true...........that my friend could for certain be a claim of "science fiction".
You can pick and choose your reality any way you wish but the bottom line is they have made serious mis-steps, may still be making them and attempt to produce a midfi product at a midfi price, non of those are insults they are simple facts. I do think on paper what they are doing is a good thing, they just need to do much better at it.
Have a happy holiday, and quit taking this so personal, its not your company or your problem but if I and others can help others avoid a possible problem I am proud to do my part. Ir Emo wants to shut me and others up just make a product that works as it should when it leaves the factory, seems painfully simple to me. |
