What's the deal with the Machina Dynamica Clock?

“I explained how I proved that this thing does work and it was not because I wanted it to.”

So funny. Freemand, you guessing where your wife places little clocks does not constitute proof that the clocks work. You merely demonstrating an overactive imagination.

Little clocks cannot affect sound – they do not affect the power line supplies, vibration, temperature, airborne noise, RFI (and EMI) or acoustics. That I can prove by measuring lack of changes in above.

I can however, prove that items such acoustic panels, cables, interconnects do effect sound. I do that by measuring and I can (many times) hear the effect also.

There is no black magic in audio, everything that effect sound has a 100% rational explanation.

Regards
Paul

Freemand, my feet are on very solid ground. You can guess million times, it “proves” nothing.

What control did you use? Did your wife switch between clocks and something else? I'm guessing not.

Could you not hear your wife open the door when she put the clock outside? Unless you're hard of hearing it entirely possible that you could hear your front door.

How do you know the observed change was due to the clock?

Was anybody around to corroborate your tests? I'm guessing not.

Did the voltage remain consistent in your mains? Did you even bother to measure that?

How do you confirm the observed changes are not psychoacoustic? Did you attempt any non-subjective testing/measurement at all?

What is your hypothesis? Why does a $5 clock effect your sound? What is the physics behind this phenomena?

So your flawed observations is proof? Give me a break.

Do some research on “scientific method”. There are established procedures for establishing proof for a hypotheses. The only thing you have managed to prove is that you paid $200 for a $5 clock.

I can guarantee you that irrespective of placement of clock in your house, there will be zero measurable differences in you system. I'll bring whatever equipment you want me to bring – spectrum analyzer, SPL meter, accelerometer, thermometer, oscilloscope, whatever you want. We will find no change because the only change is in your imagination. (and your credit card).

There is not one tweak on this planet that is not measurable and does not have a sound scientific explanation and reason. In short, there is nothing that travels into you ears that is not based on physics and cannot be explained.

Geoff Kaitt cannot explain any of the crap he sells.

Regards
Paul

+++ If you believe in something so much you will believe ........guess what, thats what your doing.+++

and

+++ You remind me of an atheist +++

So am I the non believer or am I the believer? You are attributing both to me. (I personally lean towards non believer if that's the same to you)

+++ You so have a biased mind and closed heart to hear ANYTHING other then what YOU decided in your mind you want to believe.+++

Actually, I believe what physics tells me. I build amps as a hobby, and I always found physics to be a better guide to building than faith. The science surrounding audio is quite fascinating and really enhances my enjoyment of the hobby. There is nothing quite like listening and tweaking your own creations.

+++ Yes, the test did prove it +++

You are confusing your beliefs with proof. To prove something you need a controlled environment, corroboration, objective measuring, a hypothesis etc. etc. You just don't.

+++ You seem to be an angry guy that needs science and explanations to all things in this world to enjoy audio kind of guy!!!!+++

I don't see why a factual explanations should be considered a bad thing for audio.

+++ have nothing more Paul to chat with you cause this is not going to be reasonable dialog +++

Your choice Freemand. My apologies that facts and sound scientific reasoning upset you. Maybe if refrain from claiming you have single handedly debunked science you won't be called out for it?

I dunno, just a suggestion on my part.

Regards
Paul

Freemand, to confirm what you are claiming/asking; are you saying you could tell where in your house the clock was placed based on what you heard from your sound system

Freemand, do you mind expanding - what did your sound sound like when the clock was, lets say, in the bathroom as opposed to your kitchen?

What artifact in the sound that you heard from your audio system made you know the clock was in the kitchen rather than the bathroom - more detail, more dynamics, better soundstage?

thanks
Paul

Agreed RC. I appreciate your candidness and I strongly suspect you will never hear the effects of the clock.

But if you read between the lines what Freemand is stating, he seems to be claiming that not only can he recognize from artifacts in his sound system where the clock is, but he was able to do so the very first time the clock was placed in a room! How would that be possible?

As an analogy, it like saying I can identify between Grey Goose, Absolut and Skyy in a blind test without ever having tasted them before. That is simply not plausible. One would need to associate the taste with the brand before one can identify them in a blind test. (And in my analogy, there is an actual difference in taste between the brands.)

Freemand claims to have made an association before he had ever heard it. Clearly Freemand is embellishing, and at that, not doing a particular good job at it.

I find it rather sad that when some folks get taken for a ride like he has been, they feel a need to save face, and then engage in perpetrating the same fraud upon others.

Regards
Paul

What question Freemand? Your fantasy that changes with each and every post you make?

11-13-07: Freemand : … but how can I guess perfect 25 times where my wife placed the clocks (more if I wanted to waste the time) being oblivious in my room of where she put it?

11-13-07: Pauly : Freemand, to confirm what you are claiming/asking; are you saying you could tell where in your house the clock was placed based on what you heard from your sound system

11-13-07: Freemand : That is correct Paul!

In the above quote you clearly state that you can discern changes in sound when the clock is moved from room to room and even answer affirmatively when I query you on it. Yet now your story changes to ...

11-15-07: Freemand : They went either out of the house or in the house for the test. I don't know why you'd ask how it sounded different in the kitchen instead of the bathroom. Never said a thing about those places.

Sure you didn’t. I guess the boogie man made the other post?

Note to self, file Freemand with Tbg and UranusCommittee under TROLL

Regards
Paul