What Matters and What is Nonsense


I’ve been an audiophile for approximately 50 years. In my college days, I used to hang around the factory of a very well regarded speaker manufacturer where I learned a lot from the owners. When I started with audio it was a technical hobby. You were expected to know something about electronics and acoustics. Listening was important, but understanding why something sounded good or not so good was just as important. No one in 1968 would have known what you were talking about if you said you had tweaked your system and it sounded so much better. But if you talked about constant power output with frequency, or pleasing second-order harmonic distortion versus jarring odd-order harmonics in amplification, you were part of the tribe.

Starting in the 1980s, a lot of pseudo scientific nonsense started appearing. Power cords were important. One meter interconnects made a big difference. Using a green magic marker on the edge of a CD was amazing. Putting isolation dampers under a CD transport lifted the veil on the music. Ugh. This stuff still make my eyes roll, even after all these years.

So I have decided to impart years and years of hard won knowledge to today’s hobbists who might be interested in reality. This is my list of the steps in the audio reproduction chain, and the relative importance of each step. My ranking of relative importance includes a big dose of cost/benefit ratio. At this point in the evolution of audio, I am assuming digital recording and reproduction.

Item / Importance to the sound on a scale of 1-10 / Cost benefit ratio

  • The room the recording was made in / 8 / Nothing you can do about it
  • The microphones and setup used in the recording / 8 / nothing you can do about it.
  • The equalization and mixing of the recording / 10 / Nothing you can do about it
  • The technology used for the recording (analog, digital, sample rate, etc.) / 5 / nothing you can do about it.
  • The format of the consumer recording (vinyl, CD, DSD, etc.) 44.1 - 16 really is good enough / 3 / moderate CB ratio
  • The playback device i.e. cartridge or DAC / 5 / can be a horribe CB ratio - do this almost last
  • The electronics - preamp and amp / 4 / the amount of money wasted on $5,000 preamps and amps is amazing.
  • Low leve interconnects / 2 / save your money, folks
  • Speaker cables / 3 / another place to save your money
  • Speakers / 10 / very very high cost to benefit ratio. Spend your money here.
  • Listening room / 9 / an excellent place to put your money. DSPs have revolutionized audio reproduction
In summary, buy the best speakers you can afford, and invest in something like Dirac Live or learn how to use REW and buy a MiniDSP HD to implement the filters. Almost everything else is a gross waste of money.
phomchick

Showing 11 responses by clearthink


fleschler
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There is a problem with HEA. That is summarized in today's article from Enjoy the Music: Come Admire My Hi-Fi Jewelry Roger Skoff writes about what things cost,"

That article is FAKE NEWS he does not name his source any one can write an article like that when they quote an unamed highly placed source or highly regarded designer or some other person who's name they do not give it is nonsense don't believe everything you read!
aalenik"Where do you get off calling Roger Skoff a liar? Do you know him

I don't have to know him to know that what he published in the link provided is what the American president calls fake news with it's unamed source of a "famous designer" if it were true he would name his source which is the honest thing to do but if you want to "believe" him of course you are free to believe in mysterious unamed sources that the writer somehow feels a need to "protect" you may also believe in the tooth fairy if you like that is fine with me but I can spot fake news when I smell it!


aalenik
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Do you understand that identifying that source would embarrass him, undermine his product and ruin their relationship?"

It was FAKE NEWS and that is what fake news is with unidentified sources and unspecified details embarassment is sometimes part of reporting facts you sound like another of the second-graders here in American "grammar school" you better get back to your school work or you may have to repeat a grade!

markalarsen"@clearthink  also appears to suffer from a reading impairment. His handle is a misnomer. It should have rude in it somewhere."

You are just a winkly dinkler if you do not like my "handle" you should complain to the team of Moderators who manage, monitor and control this forum.
sisyphus51"Here we go again... "don’t know what (I) am talking about!"Take a Flying leap at a rolling donut! :-)


You sound like a very frustrated person, possibly the common consequence of the fractured and corrupt American public educational system of which you are a product in process and that is understandable or perhaps you are just overdue for your afternoon nap in any event I did not say you did not know what you are talking about so you may wish to go and re-read what you responded to what I did say was that was a possibility and the other prime apparent possibility is that you are oversimplifying something too complex for you to fully understand and accept which would a likely case if you believe everything that is to be known about electronics can be found in a "Basic Electronics" text. Actually many people study for many years to earn advanced degrees in electronics and this is done by adventuring far beyond the "Basic Electronics" text with which you may have some familiarity. I urge you to continue your education which will help you not only better understand the world you live in but will help you better control your emotional outbursts here which reveal you are likely still in what Americans call "grammar school."

aalenik
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With all of the juvenile stuff you post, your calling me a 2nd grader?Since you don't read well, I'll repeat...Given you too much of my time. Done now."

Yes you will want to return to your schoolwork so that you can complete you're grade and avoid summer school it is a good idea for you not to waste any more time here you can not get away with the "dog ate my homework" excuse more than once.


sisyphus51
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I have only one suggestion: Get yourselves a book on the subject of Basic Electronics including DC, AC, and RF...You should be knowledgable enough in the basics of electricity to know when you are being fed a load of Tripe about AC power recepticals and Power cables."

It does not matter how long you look
Not all of life's answers are found in a book
Things are not as simple as they might appear
Failure to explore is a sure sign of fear
Not all truth is simple
Nor the path to it plain
When you finally find it
Prepare to meet disdain.
Ignorance abounds, it thrives everywhere
But the facts can be learned
If you truly dare.

-- Erich G. Fetzenwhaller


sisyphus51
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Who the Heck is Erich G. Fetzenwhaller? I can find no reference to such a ’Being’! Is he like Mr. Spock?" Failure to explore is a sure sign of fear "Why, then do you fear proven science?"

I am not afraid of any "thing" and am certainly not afraid of science and it is not apparent why you would think that I fear science is that what you think about those who do not believe that everything that is to be known can be found in a book?

Spock is a fictitious person so no he has nothing to do with Fetzenwhaller at all not even remotely.
sisyphus51" You are clearly wrong in your last comment!:

If you think that everything there is no know about electricity can be found in a book on "Basic Electronics" then you are grossly oversimplifying a complex matter or otherwise you just don’t know what you are talking about it is not that simple and that is why I posted the wisdom of Erich G. Fetzenwhaller perhaps you should read some of his writings they might enlighten you however most are not in English!

sisyphus51
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What CAN be found in books is the science of electricity, which was what I was talking about before you injected metaphysics."

I wasn't talking about metaphysics at all you are the first to bring that up you recommended a book on "Basic Electronics" and not all of the relevant, important, and applicable information on electricity will be found in a book on "Basic Electronics" which is something that you seem to think can be found there.
geoffkait"Why so angry?"

I think sisyphus51 is cranky perhaps because he needs a nap but also possibly because the pressure on children today in what Americans call "grammar school" is much worse than in many other countrys because of what you call "standardized testing."