What makes One Music Server Sound Better than Another?


So this week my Mojo Audio DejaVu music server that I have used for the past 2-3 years crapped out. Benjamin at Mojo was more than helpful and the DejaVu is on its way to Mojo Audio where it will make a full recovery.

Thankfully, I still have my Antipodes DX2 Gen 3 (their former flagship) music server so I hooked it up. After wrestling with Roon protocols, transfers, and set-up menus, I was able to get it going so I have music. The DX and my Sonore Sig Rendu SE opt. are both connected to my network so the DX (like the DejaVu), is only being used as a Roon core and the Sig Rendu SE serves as the Roon endpoint for streaming Tidal and Qobuz, with a direct USB connection to my DAC.

The point of this thread is to ask, how come I perceive the the DejaVu server as sounding better than the Antipdes DX? In fairness, the differences I perceive are not great but it seems the DejaVu is fuller sounding, more tonally rich, and bolder. Is this why some here spend $10K+ on a Grimm, Taiko or something else?

If a server is basically a computer, sending digital information to a streamer/endpoint and, assuming that digital information is transmitted asynchronously and reclocked by the DAC’s master clock, and assuming noise is not the issue (i.e., both units are quiet and there is an optical break between the network and both the server and endpoint) then what are the technical reasons one should sound better than the other? It is not that I want to spend $10K+ on a music server with a lifespan of maybe 5 years before becoming obsolete, but I would like to understand what more you are getting for your money. So far, the best I can come up with is lower internal noise as the major factor.

As a side note to the above, when I thought things looked hopeless for getting set up, I scheduled a support session with Antipodes and, although I lucked into the solution before the meeting time, Mark Cole responded ready to help. Setting up the session was super easy and reminded me of the superior level of support I had come to enjoy from Antipodes during the time that the DX was my primary server, including multiple updates and 2 or 3 hardware upgrades, which prolonged the service life of the DX. Good products and good company.

 

mitch2

OP: I don’t know exactly how those two different servers run Roon - it’s possible they’re adding some DSP or otherwise doing non--Roon-standard manipulations. But if not - same Roon version, same configuration, across a network, bit perfect is bit perfect. Doesn’t matter the server source.

For clarity, my post is not about hooking a DAC up to a server directly, where at least there is a form of direct electrical connection. It’s about server streaming to endpoint over a network.

If some of the posters’ suggestions here were true, when you go to an ATM to withdraw cash sometimes you get a few dollars less and sometimes a few dollars more. When you check your bank account online the numbers will be different every time. When you email someone, the network will introduce typos. When you send a word document, text will change.

IP network transmission simply does not work that way. As long as you have bit perfect music input at the server end you’re going to have the same bit perfect output, no matter what else is at the server end, at the streaming end. [Admit the distant possibility of streamers sounding different].

If you want to explore this, I suggest you take a computer and use that as a Roon server to your same endpoint and do those comparisons. As long as you’re not hearing dropouts, and each is configured for identical DSP, volume, etc., whatever processing you have configured is identical (and there’s sufficient horsepower!), it’s gonna sound the same. I have 3 roon servers here on different platforms for different reasons, but it’s not SQ.

@jji666 

"It’s about server streaming to endpoint over a network."

That is exactly what I am doing, along with having optical fiber isolation of both the server and the endpoint from the network.

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"As long as you have bit perfect music input at the server end you’re going to have the same bit perfect output, no matter what else is at the server end, at the streaming end."

This is the presumption I am going by.  My plan is to continue using a reliable, well-built, server, somewhere south of $5K, and then spend a little more as needed on the endpoint and DAC.  I may actually be there now with the Sonore endpoint and Mojo Audio DAC but, in either event, I do not plan to purchase a meg-buck server to chase potential SQ improvement that may not actually be realized for the server-only function..  

"It’s about server streaming to endpoint over a network."

That is exactly what I am doing, along with having optical fiber isolation of both the server and the endpoint from the network.

Sorry, should have been more clear - the reason I added that paragraph is that someone always posts about concerns only related to having the DAC connected to the server.  All of this about noise inside the server running down the USB cable.  I wanted to be clear that concern cannot apply to your situation or what I was discussing.