What is wrong with Audiophiles?
atdavid That is because you have low reading comprehension and/or a mental block that doesn’t let you admit the things you often say are patently wrong ... And here is what I mean by the "clique". They can’t bring anything to the table, so they cast ad-hominems, strawmans, and deflections.This "clique" that you deride has been in existence for more than two decades. You arrived here less than a month ago and seem interested in nothing but argument and insult. We’ve seen this before. In one post you proclaim that you have nothing to sell, then later you claim you’re an industry consultant. You repeatedly demand that others perform scientific, double-blind listening tests to accommodate your sensibilities, but then expect us to accept your proclamations as Absolute Truth. Beware the audio guru. It’s pretty easy to see your charade. Have a nice day. |
atdavid The basic premise of your post is dishonest since I rarely (almost never) post in discussions about specific equipment pieces, so if you are making comments about me, then you are making them about threads You enter where the comments you suggest don't even really make much sense to expect from me.Huh? This looks like English, yet is nonsensical. |
atdavid I, do not want to be one more unqualified comment in a long stream of unqualified comments ... There is no value in yet another comment.Again, sez you. But this group does not exist solely for your amusement and satisfaction. Some of us enjoy reading about others' listening experiences, even if you insist they are "unqualified" and have "no value." That's just something that - sooner or later - you'll have to accept about this group. |
atdavid ... you seem to gravitate towards tweaks, not things that are likely to make a significant difference in your sound, like truly addressing the acoustics in your environment.Whether the change to the sound of a system is "significant" or not is purely subjective, so it isn't clear what your point is here. As to tweaks, they are not mutually exclusive; you can make acoustic improvements as you also make tweaks. ... Almost every post here "recommending" something becomes 50/50 for and against, so adding one more "I heard this thing, in a room I am not familiar with, with equipment I am not familiar with, and I liked/disliked it" is not going to add any value here.Sez you. But this group does not exist solely for your amusement and satisfaction. Some of us enjoy reading about others' listening experiences, even in the absence of definitive conclusions, and even in the absence of the scientific listening tests you keep asking others to conduct for you. |
atdavid Cleeds, I have lost count of the number of time audiophile friends have made claims and I added a blind aspect and the claim dissolved. Just for you, I will start writing them down and posting them hereGreat! Please be sure to provide all of the details of your scientific tests, including the test protocol, DUT, number of subjects and trials, venue and associated equipment. The noisy minority here that is interested in such tests might find your work interesting. How about you doing the same instead of assuming you have Superhuman hearing?I've made no assumption or claim to "Superhuman hearing." Ever. The fact is just the opposite: I think the average listener can readily hear whatever I hear. As for your persistent requests that I conduct scientifically valid, double-blind listening tests to suit your sensibilities: I've never conducted or organized such tests. They are a tricky undertaking fraught with potential for error. (That's why I ask that you include details on whatever testing you conduct.) Nor is this a particularly good forum to visit to request such tests, because this is a hobbyist's group, not a scientific forum. I have been a subject in a number of such blind tests, however. They are really tedious! The results are sometimes surprising, both for test subjects and test organizers. |
atdavid I am not trying to sell anything Cleeds. I am not making exceptional claims Cleeds ...No matter. This remains a hobbyist’s group, where no one is obligated to conduct listening tests or scientific research to suit your sensibilities. If that’s what you seek - and it appears that you do, because you keep repeating your preference for such testing - then perhaps you are in the wrong forum. Of course, you can conduct your own testing, and then report your results here. But for some reason, you exempt yourself from the requirement you impose on others. |
atdavid It is not just that there is no reasonable evidence that this expensive cable provides an improvement (or change), it is that there is little to nothing that passes for evidence for any high end cable. Such an easy test to do ...If the testing is so-ooo easy to do, why don’t you conduct the tests and report the results? Please be sure to describe the test protocols. Of course, the truth is that conducting a scientifically valid, double blind listening test is not so easy in practice. And because this is a hobbyist’s group, it’s not our job to conduct such testing for your benefit. |
